Posted on 03/07/2005 6:58:29 AM PST by Gefreiter
I echo Squantos-go with S&W. Some may swear by the Ruger autos, but I have a very negative view of their fit, feel and accuracy.
That being said the Ruger Mk 1/2 series 22s are great guns and the revolvers are top of the line.
Another way to look at it, you will see very mixed views on the Ruger autos, but just about unanimous favor for an S&W revolver
For me, it's an M119A1 light towed 105, but they're kinda massively expensive.
*chuckle*
Sorry. I've had too much coffee. I own 3 Ruger autoloaders and a lot of other firearms both handguns, shotguns, Rifles, etc. I love my P97DC, my P95DC, and my Mark II Rugers. They are all sweet and trouble free.
This is the real deal about using these tools. It's what you find out after using them, and often instrumental in getting something else next!
The SAA grip design actually tends to flip the muzzle UP, positioning the hammer closer to the thumb. In black powder days, this also helped to toss cap fragments out of the action, to "prevent" jams. That's a lot of movement in a handgun you are trying to protect your life with, under pressure. One doesn't care when one-shot hunting, though.
As to self-loading, self-ejecting actions...autos...everything comes down to how the trigger works, all else being done by the mechanism....one hopes. Many professional users report that "traditional double action autos" throw the first, index-finger-cocked round OFF the target, and the rest are light-pull single action, and consistent, and easier to hit with. The Glock is somewhere in between, and some really like it. I think that single action automatics start with the best "save your life" performance...and stay that way. Just my life-long opinion.
The 1911 is hailed as the champion TARGET gun for good reasons. That combined with its history as the finest performing COMBAT handgun ever devised, is saying a lot. It is purely single action. So my very humble advice to you is to stick with single action autos, and double action revolvers [which can be cocked for s.a. shots, but are generally slightly heavier and climb less, because of grip design]
PA28,
Could you expand on your opinion of the 457's accuracy?
That is, do you find the sights substandard in some way, or maybe hard to get new sight picture after every shot?
What have you found to be the distance, generally speaking, beyond which this model starts to disappoint?
Would you say that someone new to this weapon could train past its accuracy limitations?
Thanks,
G
And extraordinarily dangerous to reload 105mm, I should think!
I have never had any trouble with my P97 either, and I have pu a lot of rounds through it, but I'll always be especially fond of my Redhawk .44M
Thanks!
Pretty good sized die...
X,
Hmmm, sound advice for every situation, I suppose.
Thanks for the link.
G
If I line up the sights on the 457 at a target 10 yards away, it'll shoot a foot or more low. The sights are not adjustable so I have to keep the front sight above the rear sight to hit the target. It takes practice to know how high to aim. At 15 yards, I can hit a paper plate only 4-5 times out of seven. But again, this is a close range, personal protection pistol- not a competition tack driver.
Yeah.
The primer stick in the canister is roughly six inches long, and the primer button only needs two pounds of pressure to go off.
We were taught that while carrying the round to the howitzer before handing it to the #1 man you make sure you hold onto the canister like it's your life.
The round itself can hit the ground if you trip, it won't blow up.. usually.
The canister though, it hits the gound, anything can set it and the powder bags off.
A pebble, sand, twigs or sticks, your boot.
Catching a face full of fire fountain didn't sound like fun to me, plus the fact that the powder would blow the canister into little shards that would've fraggo'd the rest of my gun crew made me make darn sure I didn't drop the puppy.
Heard tales of people dropping the canister and it going off.
Didn't want to add to the statistic.
I think the linen used in the powder bags is hard to come by as well.
I have a Super Blackhawk in 44 Mag. It is 30 years old and still takes out a whitetail or wild hog at 50 yards. I don't like to shoot farther than that without a scope.
CG,
Dude with a weapon says, "Ignore the pancake", I say, "What pancake?"
Can you discuss in a bit more detail what it is about Rugers, and the P97 in particular, that make them superior weapons in your eyes?
If you look at some other posts in this thread, you'll find a couple fellas advocating for the Glock 30, for example. Is there a functional reason for your preference of the Ruger over the Glock 30?
G
Here is another link to whet your appetite.
The Ruger is rugged, reliable, American made, and affordable. The decocker feature makes carrying with one in the chamber a cinch. It is very accurate and it doesn't rock much. I can rapid fire my P97 like it's a 9mm.
I'm thinking of getting a Blackhawk in .30 carbine, I understand it's a lot of fun to shoot, and I got tons of ammo.
PA28,
I see. In handling the 457, I found it fit my hand perfectly, and was the overall size and weight I was looking for.
But I thought the front sight was, for lack of a better word, "blobby". The hi-viz front sight looked like a huge green blob when viewed through the rear sight, and I didn't like it. Of course, changing the sights is not a huge thing, but why not get it how I want it when I buy it?
15 yards, eh? Good to know. And your point is taken, about what to expect from a personal defense weapon vs competition shooter.
Thanks for your input,
G
You are very, very welcome.
These gun threads are great, because so many folks here have such useful information, experience, and opinions.
This technology is fascinating....because it involves the participation of the human body, and is very important that it all works well, in actual, and extreme use.
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