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Posted on 02/11/2005 10:04:15 AM PST by AnnAdoringFan

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To: Phantom Lord

how about simply putting the tax you paid and the year-to-date totals in BIG BOLD LETTERS on your paycheck.

I know one idiot who told me he did not pay any taxes because each year he GOT A REFUND


181 posted on 02/11/2005 11:30:40 AM PST by Mr. K (this space for rent)
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To: Mr. K
I know one idiot who told me he did not pay any taxes because each year he GOT A REFUND

Unfortunately there are millions like him.

The year to date is already on pay checks. It makes no difference, even it was put in bold.

But making people file quarterly and WRITE A CHECK for their taxes owed would make a huge difference. They would actually feel the pain of taxes.

And further on the refund idiot, how often have you heard someone respond to the question "how much do you earn" say "I bring home X."

Since taxes are already taken out and they base everything on their net check most people actually have no idea what their earnings are.

182 posted on 02/11/2005 11:34:07 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

yeah that sounds good to me.... :-)


183 posted on 02/11/2005 11:35:16 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Ohio State: The 2005 NCAA Football champions....assuming they arent on probation!!!!!)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

that would be cool....it might make things a bit easier to plan for too maybe possibly...


184 posted on 02/11/2005 11:35:39 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Ohio State: The 2005 NCAA Football champions....assuming they arent on probation!!!!!)
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To: Phantom Lord; Brett66; Gabz
You want to see a true tax revolution in America? End withholding and make everyone file quarterly and WRITE A CHECK for what they owe.

Well, our patient here in the FR Emergency Room has a brain tumor and you (PL) prescribed an aspirin.

While it may relieve some of the pain for a little while, it doesn't solve the underlying problem causing the national headache. The problem isn't the day our taxes are due or even whether they withhold it or we send it in. The Federal Income Tax gives the Federal Government the power to control or destroy us. We have gotten used to the idea that 'they' have a right to our money and a right to know everything about us. They don't. Not if we are free or wish to remain so.

The FairTax (HR 25 / S 25) is the only proposal before Congress that frees us of the requirement to submit to the government as now do. The FairTax rids us of the IRS, the Federal Income Tax, the federal estate and gift taxes, inheritance taxes, and FICA/Medicare taxes.

New goods and services will be taxed. Used goods will not. Businesses will be free of the fiction that they pay taxes (customers pay, businesses collect) and all business to business transactions will be tax free.

A 'prebate' program protects the poor from the progressivity that is normally associated with sales taxes.

The is one rate for everyone.

The tax is collected only one time -- from the end retail user.

There are no exemptions or deductions for anyone.

There are no special favors built in for anyone.

It's fair. It's visible. It simple.

It puts us back in charge. As my FRiend Gabz said, "When I can't control my taxes, I have to control my spending. With the FairTax, I control my taxes so I don't have to control my spending." (did I get that right?)

185 posted on 02/11/2005 11:36:39 AM PST by Badray (Quinn's First Law -- Liberalism ALWAYS generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent.)
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To: Badray

I support the fair tax.


186 posted on 02/11/2005 11:38:41 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: AnnAdoringFan

how about this plan:

I keep all of the SS dough I make and I worry about my own retirement.

All I want the gov't to do is keep the nation safe, That's it.

No more, no less


187 posted on 02/11/2005 11:39:26 AM PST by FMBass (“Now that I’m sober I watch a lot of news” – Garofalo: From “Treason” by Coulter)
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To: MikeinIraq

We'll make it happen.


188 posted on 02/11/2005 11:40:30 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional. Fireproof taglines available.)
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To: Badray

another sales tax is a BAD IDEA. Go up to Canada and ask them how much they hate it (answer: with a passion)

and giving a 'pre-bate- to ignorant morons is an invitation to let democraps tell them how much they are 'giving' to them.

A simple flat tax on income is the best all around alternative. No 'prebate' required- you dont make enough then you pay 0%- 10%of anything above $40K


189 posted on 02/11/2005 11:42:16 AM PST by Mr. K (this space for rent)
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To: AnnAdoringFan

well....election day should be nationalized as a Federal Holiday. That way more people would turn out to vote if they knew they didn't have to vote before or after work. It used to be that way in the 50's, but for some reason (I think it was a Democrat idea) it was changed. Democrats stayed home and could vote..Republicans worked and most likely did not or could not make it to the voting booths before or after work.


190 posted on 02/11/2005 11:42:29 AM PST by smiley
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To: Conspiracy Guy

yeppers


191 posted on 02/11/2005 11:44:53 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Ohio State: The 2005 NCAA Football champions....assuming they arent on probation!!!!!)
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To: Mr. K
another sales tax is a BAD IDEA. Go up to Canada and ask them how much they hate it

Unlike in Canada, the Fair Tax would ELIMINATE the income tax and FICA.

192 posted on 02/11/2005 11:48:35 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: MikeinIraq

We'll probably be in Dayton Thursday afternoon and Friday morning. Then head to Cincinn.


193 posted on 02/11/2005 11:54:10 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional. Fireproof taglines available.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Okay, I'm busted!

It was fun pretending to be Condi for all of about 8 minutes.

I considered looking for 'A Day in the Life of President Bush' thread to find a clever answer, but I'm too lazy today.

Say! How come YOU don't know where W is? Hmmmm.....


194 posted on 02/11/2005 11:54:40 AM PST by mplsconservative
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To: Conspiracy Guy

ok...I am sure we can work something out....

since I wont have to be driving an hour and a half to get to Dayton by then (I hope!!) it should be pretty easy....


195 posted on 02/11/2005 11:56:09 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Ohio State: The 2005 NCAA Football champions....assuming they arent on probation!!!!!)
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To: Phantom Lord

it would still be another 30% ADDED to the price of goods at the store

yucko


196 posted on 02/11/2005 11:58:31 AM PST by Mr. K (this space for rent)
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To: Mr. K; Phantom Lord

As Phantom Lord points out in #192, this is a replacement tax, not an additional one. You get to keep your entire paycheck. You get to decide if and when you will pay A N Y tax.

The prebate keeps the libs from HONESTLY saying that the tax is regressive and adversely affects the poor. (They'll still say it, but they'll be lying and we can prove it.)

Why do want to have to cower before the feds and prove anything to them? Why don't you want to rid us and our posterity of the IRS?

Hells fire, Mr. K, all our parents did was kill a lot of Nazis and Fascists and they get called the "Greatest Generation."

Don't you want us to be known in the future as the true "Greatest Generation" for having freed America from the greatest tyranny -- the IRS?


197 posted on 02/11/2005 12:00:48 PM PST by Badray (Quinn's First Law -- Liberalism ALWAYS generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent.)
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To: Mr. K
it would still be another 30% ADDED to the price of goods at the store

yucko

Again your wrong. The cost of goods would fall because the cost of complying with the tax code would disappear and the cost of paying the taxes (which really are paid by the producers customers and eventually by retail customers) would disappear.

Businesses pay NO taxes. Every penny of them are paid by the retail consumer in the price of product and services. With the removal of these taxes (and the cost of complying with the code) the raw materials and end products are cheaper at all levels.

Some say (and you might) that while this is true, greedy businesses will just not lower the price and keep the extra for additional profit.

Wrong.

That can not be done in a capatlist economy. Competition will require the lowering of prices. All it takes is 1 business to lower the retail price and ALL must follow or die.

198 posted on 02/11/2005 12:03:36 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: mplsconservative

I thought you were keeping up with him today. I'll call him on the private channel.


199 posted on 02/11/2005 12:22:01 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional. Fireproof taglines available.)
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To: MikeinIraq

We'll do dinner somewhere.


200 posted on 02/11/2005 12:23:20 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional. Fireproof taglines available.)
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