Woman Fatally Mauled In Pit Bull Attack

AP ^ | 2.7.05

[CampDoha]

I'm not hiding anything anywhere. I'm saying that people should be license to own dogs, particularly large breeds since they have more of a capacity to do damage than little Yorkies and such. We need responsible owners who raise responsible dogs. Period.

Pits were bred to be fighting dogs, however, they were not bred to bite PEOPLE, and the majority of licensed, responsible breeders will not breed any dogs showing aggression, whether it is aggression against people OR against other dogs. Just like you can breed in traits you can breed them out as well, and there are lots of breeders producing safe, friendly Pitt's.

Raising a dog does not mean training it not to kill someone. It means teaching it that mouthing or biting people is NEVER okay, and it has to start when they are puppies. It also means raising them properly with socialization, training, and respect. You can't just bring a dog home, chain it up outside, ignore it, and expect it to be a friendly dog. Some dogs have a good temperament and require little training to teach them biting is not okay, while others are much more difficult.

On dogs and puppies biting and how to train them, this is a good article http://www.perfectpaws.com/bite.html

[CampDoha]

Oh wow, I'm utterly impressed by your brilliant argument here.

Never mind that I've been fostering and TRAINING dogs for the past 8 years. But because my opinions don't match yours, I naturally must "know crap about dogs" since I don't agree with you.

I think I'm done talking to you. Obviously you're done to "Everything I needed to know in life in learned in Kindergarten."

[daylate-dollarshort]

Golden retriever mauls owners' granddaughter, 3
By Marie Szaniszlo
Monday, December 1, 2003

A golden retriever was in police custody yesterday after it mauled a 3-year-old California girl at her grandparents' Medford home. The girl and her parents were visiting for the Thanksgiving weekend when the dog bit her on the face, police said. Medford police and firefighters went to the Ravine Road home shortly before 10 p.m. Saturday. After seeing the severity of the child's wounds, they rushed her by ambulance to Children's Hospital in Boston, where she was recovering yesterday, police said.

And

Try these-

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/goldenretrieverattack.pdf http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/WashingtonPost12172002MD.pdf http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/nebraska632002MartellNE.pdf

"A study performed by the American Veterinary Medical Association, the CDC, and the Humane Society of the United States, analyzed dog bite statistics from the last 20 years and found that the statistics don't show that any breeds are inherently more dangerous than others."

All the above foud within the first half page returned after searh. There are many many others.

[sinkspur]

LOL!!! Anecdotes from small dogs don't come close to the mile-long rap sheets from pit bulls.

[daylate-dollarshort]

I am. Have had four. They are great dogs. We have a female at the moment and she is a loving and faithful companion.

Furthermore, she is a neighborhood favorite and has quite a following with the kids in the area. She enjoys pulling them down the street while they are on their roller-blades. She is in demand all summer long.

Never has been any problem whatsoever.

[daylate-dollarshort]

OOPS! Thy these.......

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/goldenretrieverattack.pdf

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/WashingtonPost12172002MD.pdf

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/OtherBreedBites/nebraska632002MartellNE.pdf

[sandalwood]

Can't you guys agree to disagree? Just like a gun in the wrong hands makes all gun owners look bad, a Pit Bull or Rottweiler or German Shepherd or Bull Mastiff, in the wrong hands, make the breeds suffer.

Honestly, I hope people that hate Pit Bulls never get one, and I think you are lazily accepting the MSM's version of events. But I accept your opinion because there is a good deal of evidence on your side of the issue.

[daylate-dollarshort]

And what part of the studies by the American Veterinary Medical Association, the CDC, and the Humane Society of the United States did you find so humorous????

[ambrose]

These people are like the apologists for radical Islamics...

[Rodney King]

If you put a loaded handgun on a robot and programmed the robot to move about the neighborhood seraching for people with a very low probability that when it encounters one, it shoots it. You would be tried for at least manslaughter, regardless of low the probabilty is.

That's the same as letting a potentially violent dog out to roam the nieghborhood. The owner should be charged with at least manslaughter.

[CampDoha]

That's exactly the point I am trying to make, Sandalwood.

Pit Bulls that are bred by a responsible breeder and kept by responsible owners are excellent pets, including excellent family pets.

Dogs kept by irresponsible owners, whether they are Pitts, Dobies, Shepherds, Rottis, Labs, or any other kind of dogs, are often badly (or not at all) trained, improperly socialized, and host to a number of problems from mauling people to digging up the carpet.

[BJungNan]

The Golden Retriever in the story took a bit out of the child's face. It did not clamp on, rip and pull, clamp on and not let go. Did it?

The story about the Palmeranian, well, that's tragic. But you really are not seriously trying to compare an "attack" of a Palmeranian on a 6 month old baby and a pitt bull attack that puts a 12 year old or grown up in the hospital or finds them dead are you?

I mean, come on, my neighbor has a palmeranian and there is no way in the world that dog is going to kill or hurt anyone, even a two year old. Even if it was vicious, there is no way.

Are you sure you don't have any statistics on attacks by Chihuahuas

I will hand it to you, the story on the retriever is terrible and shows all dogs can attack with bad consequence for their victims. But only a pitt bull can and does attack as viciously as, well, as a pitt bull. Correct?

[sinkspur]

Pit bull owners will defend pit bulls until the day their own pit attacks and kills somebody. I've met pit owners who don't count the numerous dogs and cats their dogs "eliminate."

You and I will never agree on the subject of pit bulls. Were it up to me, they would be bred out of existence.

[CampDoha]

"But only a pitt bull can and does attack as viciously as, well, as a pitt bull. Correct?"

Incorrect. Any dog of comparable size and strength can attack just as viciously as a Pitt.

[BJungNan]

LOL!!! Anecdotes from small dogs don't come close to the mile-long rap sheets from pit bulls.

The one about the Palmeranian was really a stretch.

[BJungNan]

Incorrect. Any dog of comparable size and strength can attack just as viciously as a Pitt.

Can but does not, not without specific training to do so. A pittbull, even the freindliest one with no traing to be aggressive, is capable of it. Like others said in this thread. A pittbull is a ticking time bomb just by being a pitt bull.

[CampDoha]

Incorrect.

A Pitt with proper training and socialization is a great pet and just as safe as most popular family dogs. And another breed that is trained to fight is very likely to bite.

[sinkspur]

Any dog of comparable size and strength can attack just as viciously as a Pitt.

But they don't. Not to the same degree, not with the same frequency, nor with the same lethality.

A woman two streets over walks her pit with a muzzle on its face. When we walk on the other side of the street, the woman has to use all her strength to keep the dog from dragging her over.

That dog would kill all four of us if it got the chance.

[BJungNan]

A Pitt with proper training and socialization is a great pet and just as safe as most popular family dogs. And another breed that is trained to fight is very likely to bite.

You sound convinced. And perhaps you are right. But popular opinion is sure against you on this one. I'm sure never going to be convinced.

[Ditter]

We have our first one (Black Mouth Cur). Cate is about 11 weeks old. Mr. Ditter bought her to give to someone but made the mistake of bringing her home for me to keep for a week. We both recognized how very smart she is and we couldn't part with her. She gets along great with our 3 Jack Russel Terriers.

So many puppies so little time...... ij

LOL!