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GERMAN SHEPHERD ONWER'S HELP NEEDED.
SADLY ME

Posted on 01/08/2005 5:49:18 PM PST by WHATNEXT?

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To: HairOfTheDog
I wouldn't buy a dog from a Schutzhund breeder myself, but sharp is one thing and unprovoked aggression is another. Certainly those dogs would tend that way though.

Of course, you know me, I have a Labrador Retriever, and the only thing she bites is her dinner. She literally loves everyone she meets, she leans on them and gazes up with a big grin on her face and wriggles all over when patted.

What's funny is that, despite that, she's quite protective She will stand between me and anything she thinks looks "funny", and stare fixedly at whatever or whoever she doesn't like. Since she's a dark colored dog (very dark Choc) she probably looks more threatening than a yellow Lab would. She also barks like a ferocious crazy thing at the doorbell or at any stranger outside (until you open the door . .. then she's all over them to kiss them.)

41 posted on 01/08/2005 7:15:26 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother; WHATNEXT?

After reading some of the other poster's comments, I'd agree that your first step should be a conversation with the breeder, and try to get your money back (or at least give the problem back to the breeder).

If you have to take the other, more unpleasant route, you should definitely take action against the breeder and report him/her to the AKC.


42 posted on 01/08/2005 7:18:24 PM PST by angkor
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To: AnAmericanMother
I wouldn't buy a dog from a Schutzhund breeder myself, but sharp is one thing and unprovoked aggression is another. Certainly those dogs would tend that way though.

They do... And they take real training and conditioning to be good in a home. I know a local Schutzhund guy and I absolutely am awestruck by his dogs. I'd love to have one, and I love watching the sport. But I wouldn't work with just any trainer, only him. There's a fine line between training an effective protection dog and just ending up with one that only protects himself.

Someday maybe.

43 posted on 01/08/2005 7:19:09 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: passionfruit
sorry about that.....i think you have me confused with the original poster of the thread.....it is not me that has the dog in question.........but I remember the woman killed by the huge dogs......I live across the bay from SF in Walnut Creek and that was a terrible crime in my view....I've never had trouble with my dogs but wrote that some can become that aggressive at a moments notice.....sorry to hear about your lose.....it is terrible to have to put down the family pet
44 posted on 01/08/2005 7:19:27 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: HairOfTheDog
I can see an analogy to the really high high energy dogs like Border Collies (or my Lab who takes after her field trial side). If these dogs don't get the proper training, they are absolutely uncontrollable.

I have been on my dog like white on rice since we got her at 12 weeks. She is always in training and that keeps her within the bounds of reason - if she were not properly trained she would be unbearable.

45 posted on 01/08/2005 7:21:39 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Judith Anne
Whoa! I just read your post, and I want you to read mine, #32. My mastiffs were gentle giants too, until the day the first litter of pups were born. The change was immediate. Our Mamma dog bit someone she knew that first week, and the aggressiveness didn't subside, even after the pups were all gone. I was terrified that they would escape our yard and be loose in the streets. Whats worse, I had one that could leap a six foot fence. Keep a close eye on yours, don't assume that if their friendly now they will always be that way. Our were 2 years old when the problem began. It was heartbreaking to put them down, because we loved them, and it was a huge financial loss too, because we had paid thousands. What we paid was tens of thousands less than we would have paid if someone had been seriously injured.
46 posted on 01/08/2005 7:22:17 PM PST by passionfruit (passionate about my politics, and from the land of fruits and nuts)
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To: old and tired

I'll say I have always been very firm with him when he has needed it. But, he doesn't blink.

My husband on the other hand finds it hard to reprimand. But, does try because he knows this is serious.


47 posted on 01/08/2005 7:22:29 PM PST by WHATNEXT? (That's PRESIDENT BUSH (not Mr.)!!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

One test that I am aware of is to pick up the puppy and then put him down. Then you walk away from the pup. If the pup follows you, he's going be an easy-to-train pup.


48 posted on 01/08/2005 7:24:04 PM PST by ambrose
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To: WHATNEXT?
When we were still going to Schuntzhund and having trouble with nipping we asked a club member of long standing to help us. He said he would take him into his home (little children present) and work with him, for a price.....We didn't do that...

That is what you really need to do, if you want to save this dog. And be prepared to take whatever steps to train yourself and your family too. Or give him to the guy or someone else in Schutzhund that is really trained to manage a dog like this.

And reconsider whether you really want another dog for protection if you don't want to fine tune protective training. A little yapper or a labrador is a good alarm, and a gun is good protection. Without training, a protective dog is dangerous.

49 posted on 01/08/2005 7:24:34 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: WHATNEXT?

From the AKC site: "The German Shepherd Dog does not give affection lightly and is known for his dignity and stature; it is also known as a "one-man" breed for its tendency to display serious loyalty and fidelity, especially to its owner or main caretaker."


50 posted on 01/08/2005 7:26:16 PM PST by angkor
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To: HairOfTheDog

Get a Golden Retriever! They act like pups even in old age. Only drawback is the floppy ears are prone to infection.


51 posted on 01/08/2005 7:28:31 PM PST by ambrose
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To: WHATNEXT?

Have you tried staring him down?


52 posted on 01/08/2005 7:29:46 PM PST by ambrose
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To: HairOfTheDog

A trainer is a possibility. But, we have put so much money into him. If I felt I had been lax in training and letting him get away with things, I might be more inclined.


53 posted on 01/08/2005 7:29:49 PM PST by WHATNEXT? (That's PRESIDENT BUSH (not Mr.)!!)
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To: NorCalRepub

Sorry, I meant to reply to the original poster.


54 posted on 01/08/2005 7:30:41 PM PST by passionfruit (passionate about my politics, and from the land of fruits and nuts)
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To: angkor

Yes, in general that is a shepherd. But, we are his owner's and I don't doubt he would protect us if needed. But, he is challenging us....


55 posted on 01/08/2005 7:32:14 PM PST by WHATNEXT? (That's PRESIDENT BUSH (not Mr.)!!)
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To: WHATNEXT?
A trainer is a possibility.

You reported that the dog is beyond your experience level. If you aren't willing to put more money in the dog in training and/or serious obedience school, then you need to put him down or give him to a ~really~ qualified home, not some ad in the paper where is out of your life but he hurts someone else.

56 posted on 01/08/2005 7:32:36 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: WHATNEXT?
I have a 6 year old Shepherd.Before you make a decision,I would suggest your take your dog to the vet and have a thorough exam for any injuries or illness.

If that proves negative,talk to a reputable and I stress reputable trainer.They have extensive knowledge of animal behavior,and their honest opinion on your dog, can help you make a decision one way or another.I wish you the best with whatever your decision may be.

57 posted on 01/08/2005 7:32:45 PM PST by tapatio (Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterward.)
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To: passionfruit

We have only one, a neutered male mastiff. His doggie friend is a minipin, both are house-dogs, both are neutered, she is 7, he is 1 yo.

We have socialized him with other dogs (my son's neutered female Golden spent the holidays here in the house, no problems) and the neighbors' horse and stock, and our chickens, ducks, children, grandchildren, strangers, family. He is trained to sit down (mostly he lays down) when we stop walking. He is always on a leash outside our house.

I met both his parents and they were also gentle, including the mother, although we didn't pet her, only interacted with the father, an intact (of course) male. The breeder did have a concern that the mother would not allow us to leave with her pup. She was behind a fence, with her own large house, in a breeding pen. We walked past her, she didn't growl, she didn't bark, she walked to the end of her fence with us and then sat down as we left. Pretty good behavior, in my opinion.


58 posted on 01/08/2005 7:34:02 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: WHATNEXT?
But, we are his owner's and I don't doubt he would protect us if needed.

Right now, he'd protect himself, not you. That might accidently benefit you if an intruder came on the place, but it will be bad if it's Aunt Martha coming to the door.

He is not a controlled, trained protection dog that is working for you, but rather a sharp, aggressive dog acting on instinct. There is a huge difference.

59 posted on 01/08/2005 7:35:42 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: passionfruit

In addition, we had him neutered at 6 months. He had not then, and he has not since, ever challenged us, disobeyed on purpose, or even put his teeth on us. We didn't allow that when he was little, and he's never done it.

We were warned specifically about training the dog that way by the breeder. She said, "Never allow him to mouth you or your clothing or any possessions that you don't want destroyed." So, we didn't. He had constant 24/7 supervision until 5 months old, mostly because for various reasons, I was at home for those three months.


60 posted on 01/08/2005 7:40:26 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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