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USC No. 1 from start to finish in AP poll
AP via NJOnline ^ | 01.05.05 | By RALPH D. RUSSO

Posted on 01/05/2005 8:38:56 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican

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To: capitan_refugio
The computer numbers are a joke. That is why the AP is leaving the BCS. A playoff system would end all debate. I am sorry, but when people think College football powerhouse conference. The PAC 10 does not come to mind. The PAC 10 is a weak conference. That is why guys like Ryan Leaf could never make it in the NFL. Over hyped PAC 10 joke.
321 posted on 01/07/2005 11:53:59 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: capitan_refugio
The computer numbers are a joke. The AP believes that too, and that is why the BCS has to constantly revise the way they factor in who is the strongest team. USC beating up a bunch of nobody's does mean squat. Auburn would spank USC like a redheaded stepchild.
322 posted on 01/07/2005 11:57:34 AM PST by Sprite518
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CR - "If you use just the A.P. (Writers), U.P.I. (Coaches) and CNN/USA Today (Coaches), you are incorrect on that one too."
Sprite518 -"Ok using your logic no one won a National Championship before the BCS was created. LOL!"

The AP poll of sports writers has been going since 1935. UPI used to have the Coaches' poll before it was taken over by CNN/USA Today. Many sports almanacs list the "National Championship" based on those two traditional polls.

Of course you can add the polls by various sports magazines, or as I mentioned, some of the "look-back" studies by people such as Jeff Sagarin.

Notice too, that I use "national championship" in quotations, because it is mythical.

323 posted on 01/07/2005 12:09:53 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: Sprite518
"In addition to the 12 “recognized” national championships owned by Alabama, the Official NCAA Football Records Book recognizes Alabama as producing national champions in 1945, 1962, 1966, 1975 and 1977."

And I think that's fine. I have no problem with more than one team being recognized as the "strongest" team in college football. This is especially true when you have so many teams and relatively" so few games.

Even if you ran the whole of Div I-A as a knockout tournament, like the NCAA basketball tournament, it would take 7 weeks to obtain a champion. That would cut the season in half (or more) for most teams and cause their college sports programs financial ruin.

The SEC is a traditionally strong conference, that was off its peak this year. Next year might be different.

324 posted on 01/07/2005 12:19:12 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio

They could run a playoffs with the top 12 teams in mid December and January. Then have a National Championship game.


325 posted on 01/07/2005 12:26:29 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518
"The computer numbers are a joke."

The "computer numbers" are a model that makes comparisons by reiterative analyses. It is a statistically valid method for assigning "strength" values to the teams, based on perfromance. However, with any statistical system, it is neither foolproof nor clairvoyant. Such as system deals with probablities.

"That is why guys like Ryan Leaf could never make it in the NFL. Over hyped PAC 10 joke."

For every Ryan Leaf from the Pac-10 I can name a Gino Torretta or a Charlie Ward from other conferences. I can also tell you some of the best quarterbacks ever to play the game came out of western schools.

The PAC-10 and its forerunners (PAC-8, etc) have always been under-appreciated by the eastern and southern writers. I can remember one year in the 1970's, in which USC beat Alabama during the season, ended up with a better record, and still only split the "national title" with them. Such is the south-east bias.

326 posted on 01/07/2005 12:34:08 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: Sprite518

I read that same blurb on the Alabama link you provided.

You do realize that some of the titles were based on rankings provided by Dunkle, Litkenhous, and Sagarin - all of which use statistical methods. In other words, they are the computer rankings you think area joke!

Do you still stand by your boast that Alabama has won more "national titles" than all of the PAC-10 combined?


327 posted on 01/07/2005 12:52:54 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: Sprite518
"They could run a playoffs with the top 12 teams in mid December and January. Then have a National Championship game."

How do you decide the top 12 teams?

328 posted on 01/07/2005 1:20:09 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio

Well the NCAA can do it in Division I just like they do it in Division IAA, II, or III. Or they could make it something like the NFL when it comes to the playoffs.


329 posted on 01/07/2005 1:51:24 PM PST by Sprite518
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"Auburn would spank USC like a redheaded stepchild."

I'd like to see the betting line on that game. Can you name a recognized poll that places Auburn over USC?

330 posted on 01/07/2005 2:32:21 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio

I don't think any serious person believes that USC is NOT the best college football team in the nation this week. Of course, there are always a few nutcases who live in some sort of an alternate reality while occupying the same planet we do, but there's not much point in debating them anyway.


331 posted on 01/07/2005 2:37:31 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Sprite518
The NCAA could do it, but they won't risk the massive amount of money that comes in from the Bowl games. Each Bowl bring in at least $1.5 million for the two teams/conferences involved in games. The top Bowls are paying over $30 million. And it is distributed over every conference. Put in a playoff system and you will starve the small conferences. (Whether they should be considered I-A is another question all together.)

A playoff system would likely create a permanent elite group of about two dozen teams. If this were international soccer, that might be a good thing. But it is college football.

332 posted on 01/07/2005 2:45:14 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
I'd like to see the betting line on that game. Can you name a recognized poll that places Auburn over USC?

Zogby?

333 posted on 01/08/2005 9:29:09 PM PST by PRND21
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Zogby?

He got just about everything else wrong! Why not this one too?!

334 posted on 01/08/2005 10:31:20 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: PRND21

"Zogby?" ROFLOL!!!!!


335 posted on 01/10/2005 4:22:33 PM PST by soccermom
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