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Pit Bull Apologists, Wake Up
SFGate.com ^ | June 6, 2004 | C.W. Nevius

Posted on 07/09/2004 2:10:42 PM PDT by Shermy

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To: HairOfTheDog
Thank God you found his owner!

A few weekends ago, I went to KFC for lunch, and met two rather large dogs in the parking lot. They had collars but no tags, and weren't skinny at all. I loaded up and took 'em home, and they weren't even really hungry. (Salty had a FIT.)

We filed found-pet reports with the SPCA, the Humane Society, and Special Pals - and within the hour, the owner had called and came to get 'em.

I adore happy endings.
61 posted on 07/09/2004 2:42:59 PM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: HairOfTheDog
Border collies are unbelievably intense.

Some people have called my Lab a BC in a Lab suit, but her intensity is only intermittent. She does "stalk" like a BC though.

Speaking of which, she caught ANOTHER squirrel. This one never knew what hit him -- BAM!

62 posted on 07/09/2004 2:44:17 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: jdege

Buddy of mine lost one of her Jacks awhile back - he was trying to get over their wrought-iron fence and caught his collar. I have had nightmares about that for weeks.


63 posted on 07/09/2004 2:44:38 PM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: Poohbah

No, I don't recall that. Think I'll do a google search, because I don't know what they look like. I've never even heard of that breed of dog until now.


64 posted on 07/09/2004 2:44:50 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: rdb3

AnAmericanMother pointed out that pit bulls and Presa Canarios are in vogue with the trash element at this time, and that certain puppy farms breed for the trash clientele.

Perhaps we need some sort of character test before allowing people to buy or breed dogs.


65 posted on 07/09/2004 2:45:01 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I misspoke (miswrote?), it's a Presa Canario.


66 posted on 07/09/2004 2:45:30 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: AnAmericanMother

See, you raise an interesting point. I have NEVER in 35 years met a cocker spaniel with more than two brain cells. Those are THE dumbest dogs on the planet.


67 posted on 07/09/2004 2:45:50 PM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: Poohbah
Bah.

My JRT is clearly smarter than my brother's Border Collie.

It's just that he's far more independent.

(He doesn't have that "oh no, me people is mad" cringe.)

68 posted on 07/09/2004 2:46:06 PM PDT by jdege
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To: AnAmericanMother
But this can happen any time a breed becomes so popular that it's bred indiscriminately.

Important to make a distinction. This isn't indiscrimate breeding that accidently creates untintended bad temperaments.... It is intentional fighting dog breeding as the primary characteristic and purpose of the dog.

(If anything, indiscriminate backyard breeding might mix in a few wimpy dogs that actually mellowed the breed ;~D)

69 posted on 07/09/2004 2:46:12 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: xzins
Precisely my point.

The numbers are skyrocketing because the backyard breeders are answering the trailer trash demand for this dog - and then they are discarded when they turn out to be more than Mr. Redneck or Mr. Gangsta can handle.

70 posted on 07/09/2004 2:47:07 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Xenalyte
I have NEVER in 35 years met a cocker spaniel with more than two brain cells. Those are THE dumbest dogs on the planet.

My late cocker mutt was ~really~ bright, but I think it may have been some beagle that gave her that. I agree. Any dog that the fru fru show people have had their hands on very long are pretty as heck, but have had the brains bred out of them.

71 posted on 07/09/2004 2:48:31 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: HairOfTheDog

But this is indiscriminate breeding with overt aggression as its only goal (rather than the spots of a Dally or silky coat of an AmCocker). And the overt aggression is no longer limited to dogs - now it's anything that moves. Not to mention that the trash thinks that the way to make a "bad dog" is feeding the poor thing red pepper, taunting it on a chain, and beating it daily.


72 posted on 07/09/2004 2:49:01 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Poohbah; wrathof59

ANY dog with aggressive tendencies does not belong in close-quarters residential areas. I don't care WHAT breed it is.

Estimates of the pit bull population in this country range from 500,000 to 1.2 million.
http://www.staffordclub.com/Breed/rescuinf.html

Since 1982, there have been a total of 831 attacks that this guy documents in his column. Fatal attack numbers are 57 TOTAL from 1979-1994 (CDC study) and 68 in a 1979-1998 (JAVMA study).
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/07/06/BAG0C7H3811.DTL

On the face of it, I think that breed-specific legislation is going way overboard. Particularly when there's evidence that earlier problems were shrugged off (as this column seems to admit).

The problems here seem to be twofold:
1. Owners who don't properly handle the responsibilities that come with owning their dogs.

2. Neighbors don't report problems with the dogs BEFORE someone gets mauled. The column itself said so: "As in the Diane Whipple case in San Francisco, where people came forward *after the fatal attack* with accounts of having had earlier concerns about the dogs, Wong's neighbors are now reporting having had problems with the dog that attacked her."

If a dog starts to menace me, I'm reporting it IMMEDIATELY, and getting a complaint on the record, unlike the neighbors in this incident. The neighbors who did NOT report the earlier problems with the pit bull in question have to shoulder some of the blame in my book.


73 posted on 07/09/2004 2:49:06 PM PDT by hchutch ("Go ahead. Leave early and beat the traffic. The Milwaukee Brewers dare you." - MLB.com 5/11/04)
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To: AnAmericanMother
But this is indiscriminate breeding with overt aggression as its only goal

Then it isn't indiscriminate. It's intentional, and that is my point. These dogs have been created and honed to kill. It's as much in their nature as retrieving is in a labrador or herding is in a border collie.

74 posted on 07/09/2004 2:50:36 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: Xenalyte

Jacks are very smart, very agile, can dig like few other breeds, they can jump six feet or more, and they can climb chain link. And they're the most stubborn dogs ever bred.


75 posted on 07/09/2004 2:51:24 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Xenalyte
See, you raise an interesting point. I have NEVER in 35 years met a cocker spaniel with more than two brain cells. Those are THE dumbest dogs on the planet.

They may not have an intelligent bone in their body, but they usually don't have a mean one, either.

76 posted on 07/09/2004 2:52:19 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Poohbah

The problem here is, how does one define what is a "puppy mill" in terms that can stand up under our system?

"I know one when I see one" does not suffice, IMHO.


77 posted on 07/09/2004 2:52:38 PM PDT by hchutch ("Go ahead. Leave early and beat the traffic. The Milwaukee Brewers dare you." - MLB.com 5/11/04)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Boston terriers are a gassy breed. We've tried the charcoal biscuits, but they didn't seem very efficacious. Dad suggests that feeding them to the dog might not work as well as putting them closer to the source, but I don't think Salty would put up with that.

Do they make Beano for dogs? We must get some!

I read Herriot's books maybe 20 years ago . . . I really need to revisit them. Those are GREAT.
78 posted on 07/09/2004 2:53:27 PM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: rdb3

IIRC, Petey was an American Bulldog.


79 posted on 07/09/2004 2:53:44 PM PDT by jdege
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To: AnAmericanMother

What does she do with the squirrels after she catches 'em?


80 posted on 07/09/2004 2:53:50 PM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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