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Posted on 04/16/2004 6:37:21 PM PDT by Mo1

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To: Mo1

Thanks. I'm having this kinda weird excitement/dread thing going on about it.


2,561 posted on 05/14/2004 9:27:33 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: sweetliberty
Ooooooooooooo! Entice me...
2,562 posted on 05/14/2004 9:27:50 PM PDT by null and void (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: null and void

*Smooch*


2,563 posted on 05/14/2004 9:28:57 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: celtic gal
Hannity played the audio on his radio show earlier this week and it was just awful..worse than hearing and seeing the killing....

Tell me about it ... I understand why he did it and I now know he did give a warning

But at the time I was in the other room with the radio on and didn't realize this was happening till Dana came running and asking what that was all about.

I wasn't to thrill of having to explain it to her .. I didn't go into details about it with her .. just that something bad had happened

2,564 posted on 05/14/2004 9:30:24 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: sweetliberty

Making Big changes is never easy .. but it sounds like it will be a good move that will end up making you happy.


2,565 posted on 05/14/2004 9:33:12 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: Mo1

Well, I did get the answer to the most important question today......they DO have high speed internet access up there! Hehehe.....


2,566 posted on 05/14/2004 9:35:09 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: Mo1

Been there, done that already. But it makes me dizzy now just reading of your hectic day.


2,567 posted on 05/14/2004 9:41:58 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: sweetliberty

KEWL .. Ain't nothing like high speed

Well I'm heading off to bed .. been a long day and tomorrow will be even longer .. I probably won't be back really late tomorrow


2,568 posted on 05/14/2004 9:43:23 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: Mo1

Night Mo. I'm heading to bed, too....and I plan to sleep in in the morning.


2,569 posted on 05/14/2004 9:45:10 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: grannie9

Thnak you grannie!


2,570 posted on 05/15/2004 12:44:58 AM PDT by restornu
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15 May 2004 | Charley Reese


If you have any sense of justice, do not allow the United States government to make scapegoats out of a few enlisted people at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. That, of course, is exactly what Washington has in mind, and it has already begun the process.

When this story first broke, I said it smelled of intelligence and the CIA, and so it does. The purpose of the humiliation and the photographs was to break down resistance to interrogation – to, as the Pentagon so euphemistically puts it, "soften them up."

Now, there is one certainty you can count on when you deal with the military: Enlisted people do not originate anything. They follow orders. They follow orders of lieutenants, who obey captains, who obey majors, who obey lieutenant colonels, who obey colonels (full birds, they are called), who obey generals, who obey other generals, who obey civilians in the Defense Department. If ever there was a trickledown organization, it is the U.S. military.

As part of my duty, I endured the two sessions of bull at which Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld appeared. Leave it to a bunch of bloviating senators to make Rumsfeld appear almost heroic. Almost, but not quite.

The strategy was clear. The young Americans at Abu Ghraib were being disowned. Everyone took great care to say they were not typical, just bad apples, not representative of America's true values.

Oh? Which country has an $8 billion pornography industry? You can see stuff as raunchy as those pictures on cable television, on a zillion Internet porn sites and sometimes in gay pride parades. Whose commercial entertainment industry thinks the only things that sell are sex and violence? Which country has the largest prison population in the world? Which country, in 1999, had more than 15,000 murders and 89,000 forcible rapes?

The answer to all of the above is the United States. Those kids in the military police unit are products of American culture. And for God's sake, folks, why would anyone believe that if we are willing to shoot, bomb, burn and dismember Iraqis and destroy their country, we would hesitate to employ torture? The United States is without a doubt the most self-deluded nation on Earth, and that nest of liars who occupy Washington work full time to maintain the delusions.

We are like the lady in the Bobby Burns poem who sat in puffy pride in her fine silks in church while lice crawled out of her hair. We need to go to rehab and recover from the dope of Washington lies and look at ourselves realistically. We are and always have been one of the world's most warlike nations. And when we go to war, we turn savage. War crimes are as old as America itself.

In the first Gulf War, some pundits ridiculed the Iraqis trying to escape from Kuwait with their vehicles loaded down with loot. They didn't escape. They were cremated on what was called the "Highway of Death." But what I thought of was Gen. William Sherman. When his army left the smoking ruins of Columbia, S.C., the wagons loaded with stolen personal property – stolen from homes, churches and businesses – stretched out for five miles. War crimes were committed all over the South by the invading Northern armies, and virtually all went unpunished. Even so, the South fared better than the Native Americans.

I'm not one of the "hate America" crowd. I love this country. But I love it for what it really is, warts and all, and not some kindergarten fantasy created by lying politicians to cover up their own immoral actions.

We are not God's chosen people. We are a nation of human beings, and like every other nation, we have a mix of virtues and vices.

Do not allow the guilty parties in Washington to sacrifice the young men and women at Abu Ghraib on an altar of hypocrisy.


2,571 posted on 05/15/2004 8:01:17 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: lodwick

Harsh, but well said.


2,572 posted on 05/15/2004 9:25:28 AM PDT by null and void (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: null and void

Well, they are to have court martials and they do have civilian lawyers.


2,573 posted on 05/15/2004 11:03:01 AM PDT by Conservababe
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To: null and void; Conservababe; All

Speaking of harsh, check out this poster's tag:

TASMANIANRED (What do they call children in Palestine? Unexploded ordinance)


2,574 posted on 05/15/2004 11:18:06 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: lodwick

Ouch!!!


2,575 posted on 05/15/2004 11:19:37 AM PDT by null and void (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Conservababe

YOu have FM


2,576 posted on 05/15/2004 11:47:08 AM PDT by restornu
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To: ValerieUSA

Yep, still works, but not using the feature they had...thanks Val.

We're making preparations for the Prekness...Nachos, beer and other good stuff.

2,577 posted on 05/15/2004 12:10:06 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse (John Kerry, Unfit to be Commander in Chief)
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To: lodwick

LOL!!


2,578 posted on 05/15/2004 12:11:17 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse (John Kerry, Unfit to be Commander in Chief)
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To: Cuttnhorse
I don't see it! Maybe it stopped working today. I'll try one

I see it.

2,579 posted on 05/15/2004 12:25:37 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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Not bad for a left wing web site.
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2,580 posted on 05/15/2004 12:39:52 PM PDT by restornu
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