When UFOs Arrive

www.popularmechanics.com ^ | February 2004 | BY JIM WILSON

[Quix]

Qx: There's too much technology and other stuff involved. SOME UFO 'craft' MAY be demons materializing to appear as craft. And SOME craft may be some sort of alive something. But it is very difficult to believe that all of them are.

RP: Stuff? Difficult to believe, why?

QX: A lot of people--quite a number anyway--have little trouble telling the difference between a tangible metalic or other piece of technology which manifests stability of shape and function in a wide diversity of contexts vs something etherial.

QX: And, perhaps a generic answer is, the evidence of tangible technology apart from the 'etherial' or spiritual or even 'just' other dimensional aspects . . . evidence of, for example, huge mother ships . . . is just too convincing.

QX: I don't have any difficulty at all believing that demons/fallen angels are ET's, in cahoots with ET's filling bioengineered ET bodies--all or any combination of the above

RP: Good. Perhaps there is still room for discourse on the subject.

QX: Good. Charity and any shreds of openness to TRUTH are welcome.

QX: I don't have any trouble at all construing that as referring, in part, to countless other planets, races, critters in need of the full measure of redemption and salvation bought on The Cross.

RP: The problem here being, (1) that God died as a Human,

QX: So what! God has PLENTY OF OPTION, being ALMIGHTY and THE BOSS to decide however much the rest of HIS Creation will be covered by that act.

QX:

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IS THE ONE who said ALL CREATION GROANS EXPECTANTLY, EAGERLY WAITING FOR THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD. HE'S THE ONE! HE'S THE ONE WHO DECIDED that The Cross etc. would be REDEMPTIVE FOR

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ALL

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CREATION. I happen to believe, that as THE BOSS, HE IS MORE THAN ABLE AND HAS MORE THAN THE RIGHT TO DO SO!

RP: (2) the Bible is silent in regards to other created races/beings, and

QX: At least mostly silent or silent in any clear way that anyone could make any strong statements about--PRO OR CON!

RP: (3) if God died for the sins of all creation, he died for the angels too.

QX: Yes and no. EVIDENTLY--GIVEN THAT ALLLLLLLLLLL CREATION WAITS FOR THE REDEMPTIVE PROCESS TO BE COMPLETED VIA THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD . . . probably there are implications even for angels. Given that 2/3rds the angels already chose to abide with and serve GOD ALMIGHTY, their degree of "free will" may have been adjusted. And, there are those Scriptures about angels not being able on judgment day or whenever that is to sing certain songs of salvation. There is some distinction. We don't have much evidence about what those distinctions mean. But we know that WE are to be rulers and reigners with Christ judging even angels.

QX: BTW, I think that judging angels thing is another clue. I doubt the 2/3 of the angels that chose loyalty with God will need much, if any judging.


QX: But for there to be NO other inhabited planets etc. would seem like an uncharacteristic wastefulness of space on God's part. And, He seems to be thoroughly . . . given to RELATIONSHIP with intelligent creatures made to some degree in His image. AND HE SEEMS TO THOROUGHLY ENJOY VARIETY AND DIVERSITY. That also seems to fit.

RP: Agreed. The God that reefers to Himself as the Creator, probably has created other races - we know He created the angels, for instance. However, there is NO Biblical evidence that the Prideful corruption of Satan spread to anyone other than 1/3 of the angels.

QX: ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND!!! THERE IS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Biblical evidence that the prideful corruption of satan did NOT spread beyond the 1/3 of the angels that fell to other areas of Creation.

QX: No need to rush to a TYPE II error in avoiding a TYPE I error!

QX: I just know that two women who I know have a history of hearing God accurately have known for most of their lives that there is evil in other regions of God's created reality than planet earth. It was a bit of a shock to me. But I have never found anything in The Bible to CLEARLY AND UNDOUBTEDLY prevent such from being the case.

RP: Furthermore, since we're talking about the "chartacter" of God, why would He allow such a spread of corruption to other world(s) and then not expound upon such a point(s) in His Word to this world, especially considering the exact discussion we happen to be having here - God's Gospel is God's guide to salvation. God is CLEAR in His word. He is not mysterious. Anything done in secret, is not of God.

QX: I believe that is an unBiblical personal bias, assumption, presupposition you have let the concrete set on. Perhaps it's just an overgeneralization. Perhaps you have not read all the Bible.

QX: He often spoke of hiding things from certain types of folks. The Old Testament Psalms/Proverbs? speak of it being God's delight to hide things and the king's turf to figure them out. Evidently God loves mystery as is evident in much of The Bible. Or else He loves giving us fascinating, instructive puzzles to solve.

QX: Then there's the NT where Christ speaks of hiding things from the pharisees. There's even a Scripture that speaks of God wrapping or hiding Himself in blackness/darkness. That one was a jangling jar to read the first time.

RP: The cognitive dissonance as it applies to ET's comes in trying to describe ET's within any context that doesn't assume they are evil. The position that some ET's/aliens are "good" creates more questions, than it answers.

QX: It won't terminally surprise me if virtually all, if not all, of the reported ET types turn out to be evil in their allegiance.

QX: On the other hand, I personally don't think that 100% of them are. For one, there are some very small percentage of reports which describe very Biblical angelic forces as ET's.

Cheers.

[stuartcr]

'I'm curious how someone can know more about a topic which can't be validated.'

You had mentioned that you were glad to meet someone who knew more about a subject than you, or something to that effect...you use caps a lot.

My answer was meant to convey the thought that I don't believe anyone can know anything about the unknown...in this instance..the motivation behind the actions of aliens. No one knows even the actions of humans, much less aliens...for someone to say they know why an alien does something is very questionable, and impossible to validate. People can write books, and talk all day about things which cannot be validated, that doesn't mean they are speaking the truth.

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[Jim Cane]

People can write books, and talk all day about things which cannot be validated, that doesn't mean they are speaking the truth.

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[Quix]

I think I've said a few dozen times or more . . . that we all look through a glass darkly.

Some of us collect as many puzzle pieces as we conveniently can . . . .

In this topic area, a number of abductees and government leakers have made comments about stray comments of the ET critters. When one collects enough such puzzle pieces, one has a better than 0.000000% clue about the critters involved.

Of course, there's still the issue of deception, disinformation, lying for fun, trickery, etc. But, when a diversity of such things collect from a diversity of sources, some themes cluster out of the data. Like any detective process, one forms hypotheses and waits to see what hypothesis is confirmed or disconfirmed.

Then, there's ET's behavior. While some of them express surprise at our discomfort and outrage, they are intelligent enough and have been around long enough to know that anal probes, forced sexual relations; robbed fetuses etc. are not fun experiences for humans. They also have to know that they don't exactly fit the Judeo-Christian "doing unto others" Golden Rule.

It's pretty reasonable to call such BEHAVIORS evil at SOME point.

Add in the half breed project. Add in the body parts in the food slurry vats.

These are not your average grandmotherly Sunday School teacher types of critters.

But, hey, mine is just one perspective. Perhaps you'd look at such collections of puzzle pieces and think they were merely some tripped out rockers.

It remains to be seen or proven precisely, generally, globally . . . exactly what is going on with any of the races of ET's though Greer and some other researchers believe they have a pretty good handle on it. But then, some of them think ET's are wonderful or that 3 out of 5 are wonderful or that all are bad.

I don't think they are benign nor benevolent. I'm not interested in a ride.

[stuartcr]

I do not believe we all look through a glass darkly.

[Quix]

I suppose you COULD

EXCLUDE

yourself from the "we" below. I wouldn't want to.


1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Certainly some seem to be looking through a

darkER

glass than others.

[Quix]

AGGRESSIVE PRAYER LIST PING

I *THINK* this list is up-to-date. Please let me know, if not.

I was a bit wary of pinging you but kept feeling led--perhaps for prayer perhaps because there evolved a pretty vigorous spiritual discussion.

I forget which post number began the spiritual discussion but It don't think it's toooooo far into the thread.

Today is the evident deadline for the predicted capture of Bin Laden. I don't know if Bush's uncharacteristic avoidance of whether he knew where Bin Laden was or not in a recent interview indicated he's already been captured and is in secret debriefing--perhaps while we try and minimize assaults triggered by news of his capture--or--if the prophet missed it. Anyway--prayer seems in order still for the whole issue.

BLESSINGS to each of you.

[Quix]

Am curious some more . . .

Do you have any impressions, info, reports, opinions about:

1) It seems to me, there has been a huge percentage increase the last several years in nature stories about snakes and other reptiles. A huge increase. Is it a silly notion is is it possible the Reptoids have facilitated this for some desentizing reason?

2) What percentage of Senators would you guage, guesstimate to be in the knowing or blind service of ET globalist forces?

3) And of the Supreme Court?

4) And the Armed Forces?

5) Is there any institution in modern life relatively free of their heavy handed influence?

[Chris Talk]

I wonder too about the massive emphasis on dinosaurs and other reptiles in the schools, much more than on creatures that actually still live, such as lions, monkeys, etc.

Blindly following ET PC agenda--90% nearly all.

Aware of where the agenda comes from and still following, maybe 2 to 5%

Military, say 50% following and 50% not following. At highest levels, maybe 10% awareness of ETs and UFOs influence but may not know what their agenda is, or that they are the source of an agenda that most military despise.

[Quix]

I didn't realize the reptilian thing was rife in the schools.

Wouldn't be surprised if your percentages were quite on.

THX.

Have you read the curious publications by who is it . . .

COMMANDER X?

[Chris Talk]

No have not read and consider disinfo at best

[Quix]

Hmmmmm

This one doesn't sound reptilian.

Occurred : 2/6/2004 21:00 (Entered as : 02/06/2004 21:00)

Reported: 2/7/2004 11:51:32 PM 23:51

Posted: 2/12/2004

Location: Orlando (Lake Downey Park), FL

Shape:

Duration:10 mins or so

it was about 8:30 9pm or so I was catfishing at LakedownyPark off high way 50 and Dean road just east of downtown orlando.I had a feeling something was watching me for about 5 mins I kept looking around me and saw nothing.

On the dock I was on itwas very very dark and the full moon made things ok seeing wize.I heard foot steps in the woods/marsh on the side of lake near the dock i was fishing from when I saw a ripple in water near the shore from were the sound was comeing from.Then i saw 2 stork like leggs and head watching me it looked right at me. I then was like...um very scared then when I yelled 'HEY" It stood up like a man my size or so and stared me dead in eyes I went to run but when I did so off dock it walked with head still pointing towerds mine it walked with a slow pace towerd end of dock to trap me....it didn't wana hurt me now i know becouse if so it could have.

Dureing this time i was on the phone with 911 and they told me to stay put and the police were comeing.....From that night witch was last i cant sleep that face and sit. I was put in has made me scared to even sleep.That thing was watching me and was watching the whole time.What I saw was not human and was not a native animal.

I have called the fbi and they said they cant help I have called you guys and spoke to Mr.Peter Davenport at 1:30am on the 7th.I am willing to take a lie test and I am willing to swear on my kids Im 22 years old and never have saw anything like that in my life. For proof of call please call the orange county Sherif Dep at 407 ((telephone number deleted)) on 2/6/04 thank you

((NUFORC Note: We spoke several times with this witness, and we found him to be seemingly serious about the event, and credible. PD))

Interesting. I don't know of too many bird like ET reports.

I know of many Visions, dreams and visitations with Godly talking eagles. But I think that's quite another matter.

[Betwixte]

I think you've been very clear, and I understand all of what I've read, excepting the tunnels thing.

I also have good reason to believe I've been abducted in the past. But I try to ignore it and make myself as undesirable as possible to them. I've been following the threads a bit.

Of course, nobody wants to hear about this issue. I would have no interest either, except...

[Quix]

You are probably right.

Has a lot to say about the tunnels etc. including the Dulce wars.

[Quix]

THANKS TONS.

If you'd care to share your experiences, evidences via FREEPMAIL or otherwise, by all means, please do!

Much appreciate your interest and comments.

Certainly understand wanting to make yourself undesirable. Have you read the book about resisting abductions?

[Quix]

If you have specific questions re the tunnels, I suspect Chris could at least postulate about some of them.

[Quix]

How old R U?

[Chris Talk]

I would like to see the police reports, this young man has also obviously gone to public schools. The very fact he called 911...must indicate something.

He leaves off at the very most interesting minute, one line he says the creature is approaching and cutting off his line of retreat back off the dock, the next line he is back in bed at home, calling Peter Davenport and the FBI,
but the result is to leave the best part out of this report.

Betcha that is no coincidence.

[Chris Talk]

I have seen it speculated that the reason Americans keep getting bigger and heavier is a desire consciously or unconsciously, to make themselves UNlike the Aliens who are so scrawny and little, and to make themselves UNdesirable to alien would-be abductors.

That is another weird thing, they don't seem to take the tattooed or the heavily made up or jewelry wearing, male or female. They are after wholesome little Scandinavian milkmaids, like the girl in North Dakota this winter who is so obviously just an Abduction Profile to the nth degree. So maybe that is why the younger generation is dressing to make themselves as yucky and repulsive as they possibly can.