When UFOs Arrive

www.popularmechanics.com ^ | February 2004 | BY JIM WILSON

[Quix]

I don't want to get off topic, but . . .

I don't see "made in God's image" any kind of problem. There are dozens of ways to make something in someone's or something's image.

[Chris Talk]

The Saucers are not only EVIDENCE of God's Glory, they literally ARE God's Glory!

The "Glory of God" is in Hebrew, Kbod YHWH, the Glory of the Lord, in KJV, but "heavy vehicle of the Lord" is the literal translation. When man made a cart or wagon, it needed to be as light as possible, so it and a cargo could still be pulled by animals. But the gods' vehicles were terribly heavy, loaded down with V-8 engines, nuclear power plants and the like. Their heaviness is what marked them out as being of divine origin and manufacture.

"Merkavah" also is Vehicle, large vehicle. An Israeli tank has that name today. "Ma'aseh Merkavah" = works, machinery of the vehicle... also means something of bewildering complexity, incomprehensible.

"Kabod" no more means "Glory," than if one said a teenager's Corvette was his pride and glory. If young Jason suddenly arrives in his glory, that may be so, but it has four wheels, a motor, and is heavy.

Did Ezekiel see the Glory of God? Yes, in a way. But the Hebrew is "heavy vehicle of God," and his talking about it with all the commentary of the ages of thinkers added, is collectively again "Ma'aseh Merkavah," the "Lore of the Vehicle," or "Lore of the Chariot."

[R. Scott]

Uncle Sam has ideas of his own. And they rest on the assumption that ET is first and foremost an illegal alien.

Et will be handed green card, job and interest free loan while registering to vote.

I have no reason to believe that extraterrestrials will be any more compassionate than humans, and throughout our history first contact between a technologically advanced civilization and one of lesser achievements has resulted in the near extermination of the primitive.

[Chris Talk]

Not to disagree with you, quite, but could you give a Biblical passage where the b'nay Elohim, are identified with demons/ or as being demons/ demonic?

Strictly, the Nefilim are not the half-offspring, but the descending gods themselves! Nefilim means "descenders, those who came down."

I am not LDS, but "Nephi," a Mormon prophet, is a name meaning literally "from above," etc.

Jesus claimed not to be of the same descent as his followers. You came from below, but I come from above, he said.

Noah himself had a "god" for a father, so the contamination was not a matter of ancestry, but of sin and character. By contrast, his mother is called Bat-enosh, literally just "daughter of the Earthling," "earthling-woman."

"Matoshelah" literally means "airplane man," "man of the aerial vehicle," so I suppose he spent many of his 969 years fooling around with ultralights in his garage, much to the consternation of his wife.

[R. Scott]

Remember Rod Serling's “To serve man”?

[Chris Talk]

Oh BTW, that also appears in Hinduism, where the people made huge, heavy Juggernauts to represent the multi-ton vehicles of the gods, and then pulled them through the streets, crushing all and sundry.

Just as our ETs live on cattle parts and demand massive tribute in the form of slaughterhouse offal, similarly in the age of Taurus when the gods were REALLY going bullbleep, that is when bulls in the west, and cows in India, became sacred, for they were the food of the gods.

[Quix]

Part of the problem is data collection.

Many Christians of other denominations are Charismatic/Pentecostal in beliefs and practices.

And, evidently millions of Romans in South America are still counted by the Roman church though the individuals have, in fact, began to wholesale worship and associate with Charismatic/Pentecostal groups--while in varying degrees and stages of leaving the Roman church finally and totally.

But as I understand it, the rate of growth is sooooooo rapid in several South American countries, that at least the probability of Charismatics, Pentecostals numbering as the largest Christian group statistically is NOT that far fetched nor that far off. This is all the more true counting those of their persuasion in China.

Demonstrating that statistically is something I have yet to manage to do and I'm not sure it's possible with the current data collection. I haven't found Barna's research again yet, which speaks in such terms. Will try to get back to you with it when I do. It's not a raging priority for me to track down.

[Quix]

I guess my "rails" are pretty broad. Hasn't gone off the rails,

to me.

[Chris Talk]

For two shall be in a bed, and one will be snatched up and the other left behind.

Two women will be grinding grain at the mill, and one will be snatched away, and the other will wonder where her friend is gone.

Luke 17

[Chris Talk]

The people that live and work in the tunnels out West, dealing with UFO's are said to be largely either Mormons, lapsed Seventh day Adventists, or Orthodox Jews.

Secularists and liberals freaked out. Couldn't handle dealing with ETs on a daily basis.

Those who do this work are called Melchizedeks, literally "kings of righteousness," but the name is derived from the so-called Melchizedek priesthood, which in Mormonism is composed of all males over 18-19 in good standing in the Church...

[Quix]

I suppose it's not surprising . . .

that you'd format Scripture into such a mass of words as to make it unattractive to unreadable comfortably.

And your "as if . . . "

at the end is about as . . . mystifying and illogical, imho.

[Chris Talk]

If I were ANY kind of a wonk, I would never admit it.

[Quix]

No synthesis involved at all.

I'm a very strictly orthodox fundamentalist Pentecostal/Charismatic Christian in full support of the Apostles Creed etc.

The Bible is quite SUFFICIENT in it's description of reality for me to follow it to eternal abode with God based on Salvation through Christ's Blood etc--an eternal abode more overtly and eternally true than my current mortal state would imply.

Alien realities--WHATEVER they turn out to be--HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT threaten my Salvation nor my understanding of God Almighty and THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS at all.

[Quix]

I have worked in libraries 6-7 or so years of my life. The university library job required managing and presenting everything from the extreme left wing to the extreme right wing politically.

And, I've read massively most of my life.

Even people with IQ's of 100 can learn to discrimminate based on factors like quality of sources; quality of presentation; quality of specific descriptors etc. etc.

Not only so, I have relatives and other trusted folk in my network who have had first hand experience with the topic in their government jobs.

I no longer have the luxury to pretend a long list of things are not true.

[Quix]

I missed this one somehow.

I can be pretty convoluted in my writing, alright.

But usually, people fault me for being tooooo abundantly, redundantly, too precisely clear.

Your cryptic line I read more as stubbornly NON-COMMUNICATIVE rather than an earnest effort to communicate--clearly or otherwise.

[nmh]

How ridiculous! There is NO evidence to back up this idiotic fear. It reminds me of evolution ... those people WISH to believe their theories are true even though NO evidence is there to support their theory.

I do wonder ... will this be used as the reason why believers are removed from the earth before the tribulation?

[Quix]

However, trying to cram UFO'ism into the Bible seems to be impossible.

HOGWASH.

The Bible is quite expansive in a list of ways. However, it does not pretend to be a galactic Encyclopaedia Britannica at all.

It presents plenty for us to live an honorable, God fearing life presently and sufficiently maps how we can establish sufficient relationship with God to live with Him eternally. End of story, End of purpose in a lot of respects.

And, . . . . there are HINTS of all manner of things in The Bible. It's wise, however, to avoid building theological castles on hints . . . expecially about complexities as complex as reality--especially galactic reliaty.

[Quix]

So, St Paul was lying when he said he would that all believers spoke in tongues.

And I'm supposed to respect your Biblical assertions?

[Chris Talk]

I don't know about speaking, but many posters on here WRITE in tongues.

[Quix]

That is never the case in these wierd charismatic churches.

"never"

HOGWASH.

One would think that a fundamental Christian would be more given to telling the truth.