When UFOs Arrive

www.popularmechanics.com ^ | February 2004 | BY JIM WILSON

[realpatriot71]

Or: (4) planets are very bad places, they have diseases, nasty natives, a deep gravity well, and poisonous atmospheres as often as not. Stick to the asteroids, they're sterile, easy to get to, easy to leave, and have all the resources you really need...

Sure a race or two may "feel" this way, but it ridculous to assume we don't see evidence for intelligent life, objectively, because every intelligent species likes the "asteroids".

[Chris Talk]

But we DO see such evidence; look at Mars.

Read anything by Zecharia Sitchin. Look at enterprisemission.com and many others.

[tet68]

If the Borg land, be sure to let us know. You can be the Borg warner.

Naturally those warnings would need to be prerecorded at
16,33 1/3 and 78 rpms, and would popularly be called the Borg Warner three speeds.

[realpatriot71]

Yes, but the only one [IMHO] we can know much about is YHWH, the God that made THIS world, the only god with whom WE have to do...

Forgive my misunderstanding, but do you mean "yes there is only one God" or "there is one God (YHWH) for this world, but there are other God's similar to the God (YHWH)?

Since the Fall, the "god of this world" however is Satan, and I think Jesus called him that. I know Billy Graham does call Satan that.

Yes, the devil has ben referred to as the god of this world, and it's still his stated goal to be god of this world.

I believe in many billions of celestial beings, "angels" and otherwise, and in thousands of UFO's based on this planet as well as the Moon, Mars, various moons of Mars, Uranus, Jupiter, Saturn etc.

Ok. Who are the angels and who are the "beings" in the UFO's? Are any of these beings spiritual, and if they are why do they need a "ship"? I'm not sure how you fit your beliefs into a context that allows for "aliens and UFO's".

[realpatriot71]

But we DO see such evidence; look at Mars.

The face? Until we've checked that out for sure, it could have been shadows.

Sitchin? What does he write about?

[Hollywoodghost]

I agree--If ET comes he will be treated like an ambassidor from another land. The last thing we want to do is slice and dice him. What would happen if two weeks latter Emperor Ming comes with his battle fleet asking what happened to his son he sent on the peace mission?

[Chris Talk]

BOTH.

Jesus went up into a "cloud"= UFO at his ascension.

When he comes back, it will be aboard his vehicle, his "cloud"--- actually more than one, "he cometh with clouds [vehicles] and every eye shall see Him."

Check your concordance. Wherever the KJV has "glory of the Lord," the Hebrew has "kabod of YHWH." [Heavy vehicle, i.e. UFO, of YHWH.] Just because a Corvette may be my pride and glory, doesn't mean it is non material or doesn't weigh anything. Same for YHWH.

[Chris Talk]

Read Sitchin's book . Good read, then get back to me on that. He writes on everything one needs to be into what is being talked about on this thread.

[reformed_democrat]

Of course this is a possible explanation, but whomever takes such a stance ceases to be Christian, as definied by the Bible. So, why should Christians let those who no longer follow the Bible, and no longer Christian, dictate to Christians what is and is not Christian. It's laughable. It's be like me defining what books and teaching are and are not Holy to a Hindu (and being serious about it).

Now you've done it. I've taken the bait.

First, I'm not sure what you mean by the statement, "whomever takes such a stance ceases to be Christian, as defined by the Bible." My understanding (perhaps different from yours) is that a Christian believes that Christ is the Son of God, sent to redeem mankind from the sin of Adam and Eve.

Once you've acknowledged Christ as the Savior, you go out and tell others.

My take on the adapting their pagan traditions to Christian beliefs philosophy is that it helped explain Christian beliefs in a way that was easy to understand. For example, the celebration of Spring Solstice and Easter commemorates rebirth both of the earth and of mankind, since man was reborn through Christ's Sacrifice. Just as the earth comes to life every spring, man comes to life through Christ.

The Christian tradition slowly but surely replaces the pagan tradition, and even when a society becomes secular (as ours has), the tradition of an Easter celebration makes the Christian aspect of the day hard to hide (even for the most determined Atheist).

So we have a pagan holiday that was co-opted by the Christians, and the modern-day secularists cannot overcome the religious significance because the holiday has come to represent the Sacrifice of Christ.

Who says God doesn't have a sense of humor?

[null and void]

IF, and it's a big IF, our understanding of physics is correct, and FTL is impossible, then any visitors arriving en masse would have most likely got here by a multi generational star ship. Scores of generations without ever setting foot on a planet. History/racial memory of planet bound life wouldn't pique desire to to actually be on a planet, indeed, the bad parts and scary monsters would end up being the prevailing view of planet bound life.

If they've been watching our TV, they may be a little reluctant to even let us know they exist...

[radioman]

Look up a fella named Alcubierre, and you'll find a whole different set of possibilities for FTL theory.

Hypersurfing!
Less than a hundred years ago science taught that travel to the moon would never be possible. I'll bet that men will be hypersurfing all over the place less than a hundred years from now.

The only question now is, where is ET?
Maybe they're already here.

[Chris Talk]

Book is "Genesis Revisited." by Zecharia Sitchin.

Internet gremlins at work, I typed it but it failed to post.

[Chris Talk]

THEY'RE HERE!

Motto of Area 51, Groom Lake Base, Nevada.

[Chris Talk]

One ultimate God of all universes, one God YHWH who "made" [i.e. terraformed] this planet so that this present world-age in which we have been the head species...could be...
but who has many equals, superiors and inferiors in all the universes...

None of which detracts in any way from YHWH.

[realpatriot71]

My understanding (perhaps different from yours) is that a Christian believes that Christ is the Son of God, sent to redeem mankind from the sin of Adam and Eve.

Ahhh, but the Christian does more than simply "believe" - he embraces the relationship, following God's Commandments and His Word. Hiw Word is not open to personal interpretation and God's word does not change. So, to take action that goes against the word of God is Christian, but apostate. The Bible defines exactly what a Chtistian is.

My take on the adapting their pagan traditions to Christian beliefs philosophy is that it helped explain Christian beliefs in a way that was easy to understand. For example, the celebration of Spring Solstice and Easter commemorates rebirth both of the earth and of mankind, since man was reborn through Christ's Sacrifice. Just as the earth comes to life every spring, man comes to life through Christ.

Problem is, God doesn't compromise His principles. To teach otherwise is apostate.

Who says God doesn't have a sense of humor?

Not me

[realpatriot71]

If they've been watching our TV, they may be a little reluctant to even let us know they exist...

And they'd be crazy to let us exist (HA!), but that's all, again, assuming intelligent beings capable of finding this planet are (1) unable to handle the human species with their current technology and/or (2) that these being have a moral/ethic (or any at all!) that conludes wether a species should or should not live on any inhabitated planet.

[realpatriot71]

None of which detracts in any way from YHWH.

Ok, then why does God describe Himself as being "I AM" with NONE like himself - if God is an honest God (cannot sin), and if other "gods" exist, why would God say that NONE are like Himself?

Also if there are multiple "gods", but they do not interfere with each other, does mean that you believe for all intents and purposes mankind should worship in a monothesistic manner? For instance can a human choose to worship another of these "equal gods"?

[Admin Moderator]

Let's stay on topic. Thank you.

[reformed_democrat]

Now Dang It!
Cut that out! I'm trying to talk ETs here.

Anyway,
Ahhh, but the Christian does more than simply "believe" - he embraces the relationship, following God's Commandments and His Word. Hiw Word is not open to personal interpretation and God's word does not change. So, to take action that goes against the word of God is Christian, but apostate. The Bible defines exactly what a Chtistian is.

. . . God doesn't compromise His principles. To teach otherwise is apostate.

Ok, I agree with you on this. But I don't understand why it would be unacceptable to use common knowledge to teach an uncommon idea.

Using explanations that would be familiar to people who had no concept of The Divine would put things in context for them. Comparing the rebirth of the earth during spring to the rebirth of man through Christ gives a concrete example of a rather esoteric concept.

Now let's talk ETs.

[reformed_democrat]

If they've been watching our TV, they may be a little reluctant to even let us know they exist...

C.S. Lewis did a great series on just this thought. I read it years ago, and, if I remember correctly, the first in the series was Out of the Silent Planet.

Alien races had "discovered" Earth, but were waiting for us to "grow up."