When UFOs Arrive

www.popularmechanics.com ^ | February 2004 | BY JIM WILSON

[Modernman]

Since there has not been any contact this leads to the reasonable conclusion that we are (1) either alone or (2) ahead of the rest of the universe.

Or: (3) there are advanced races out there that know we exist, but have no interest in talking to us.

[templar]

We're not gonna poke and prod anything with the technology to get here, unless they say it's okay.

Having the technology to get here does not mean they have the technology, or are carrying the technology, to defend themselves. Consider a Martian crossing the Rover. One good bite out of it and it's finished.

[Chris Talk]

No, we have had constant contact, a thousand times a day, we are ourselves the PRODUCT of contact, and we are by no means the first advanced society ever to exist on THIS planet, and those previous ones might as well be ETs as far as we are concerned, because we aren't descended from them ...

[realpatriot71]

Come on now, be nice. Most Christians are Catholic or Orthodox, and there is very much of merit in these works and many others that the CATHOLICS, remember, failed to choose out for their "New Testament," 1100 years before the first Protestant ever lived.

I'm being unkind by telling the truth? The Roman Catholic Church has really only existed, as it is currently known today, since 538 AD, when the RCC took control of Rome and much of the Roman empire. The church in Rome corrupted Christianity by the accepting of man's apostate/pagan traditions over Biblical based principles described in the Bible, which was defined before the RCC's claim to the sole authority on "christianity". The RCC during the time of its greatest power, restricted the the Scripture, and changed the definition of of Scripture, saying that scripture can only be interpreted by the Church. RED FLAG!

The RCC does NOT define Christian Canon, no matter what they claim. The RCC defines "catholic canon". Because of the supression of the Word of the Lord for so many years, and the generaly illiteracy of the times, that the true Christian Canon did not materialize again in a form that the common people couild read until Luther and the reformation. So, the fact that RCC held onto these beliefs years and years before the Protestant Reformation, has no bearing on the correctness of said belief.

[realpatriot71]

Or: (3) there are advanced races out there that know we exist, but have no interest in talking to us.

Perhaps, BUT then one has to assume that every single intelligent race that has found us decided to leave us alone, and since it is reasonable to assume at four intelligent civilizations have evolved since the dawn of the universe, one has to assume that all four intelligent societies agrees to leave us alone. Also, this assumes that any advanced alien race has morals/ethics/ideals . . .

That's the problem with "option (3)"

[realpatriot71]

we are ourselves the PRODUCT of contact, and we are by no means the first advanced society ever to exist on THIS planet, and those previous ones might as well be ETs as far as we are concerned, because we aren't descended from them ...

Interesting. You think that not only have we been contacted, but rather we, humans, are a product of said alien contact?

[Chris Talk]

Sure. And the elohim [celestials] formed Adam of the dust of the ground, and breathed into him the breath of life, and he became a living being.

You are not your own, you are bought with a price.

We are his people, the SHEEP OF HIS PASTURE.

We are property. A certain class of Angels are the Watchers, and they do have UFO's to get around in.

Even non-believers in the Bible, would be forced to a similar viewpoint by UFO's if they dared to face it rather than by having the govt. sweep it under the rug for us.

[realpatriot71]

Do you believe in a supreme being - God?

[reformed_democrat]

The Roman Catholic Church has really only existed, as it is currently known today, since 538 AD, when the RCC took control of Rome and much of the Roman empire. The church in Rome corrupted Christianity by the accepting of man's apostate/pagan traditions over Biblical based principles described in the Bible, which was defined before the RCC's claim to the sole authority on "christianity".

That's according to one belief system.

An alternate view is that the Roman Catholic Church saved more souls by adapting their pagan traditions to Christian beliefs, thereby making the transition from pagan to Christian less traumatic for the masses.

I'm sure there are any number of other explanations, and I'm sure each and every proponent of each and every faith firmly believes he or she is absolutely correct and everyone outside that faith is dead wrong and on his way to Hell (or wherever nonbelievers go).

Could we just go back to talking about ETs now?

[realpatriot71]

That's according to one belief system.

That's according to history.

An alternate view is that the Roman Catholic Church saved more souls by adapting their pagan traditions to Christian beliefs, thereby making the transition from pagan to Christian less traumatic for the masses.

Of course this is a possible explanation, but whomever takes such a stance ceases to be Christian, as definied by the Bible. So, why should Christians let those who no longer follow the Bible, and no longer Christian, dictate to Christians what is and is not Christian. It's laughable. It's be like me defining what books and teaching are and are not Holy to a Hindu (and being serious about it).

Could we just go back to talking about ETs now?

Sure

[reformed_democrat]

, BUT then one has to assume that every single intelligent race that has found us decided to leave us alone

Ah, good. ET stuff.

One theory suggests that races capable of FTL travel reserve contact until a race has reached FTL ability.

Or, perhaps we're the first to have developed enough to contemplate space travel. We may be the first members of the UP (United Planets).

[Chris Talk]

Yes, I believe in YHWH, the God of Israel, called "the Lord" in the KJV.

"The chariots of the Celestials [elohim] are twenty thousand; YHWH's is one of them." --Psalms

[realpatriot71]

Or, perhaps we're the first to have developed enough to contemplate space travel. We may be the first members of the UP (United Planets).

That's a possible reasonable conclusion considering the original premise.

[Chris Talk]

I am unaware of anywhere in the Bible where "Christian" is defined at all, much less in the way you say.

[New Horizon]

Great. I'm doomed.

Rumor has it they prefer the lean meats. You'll be okay...I'm screwed though.

[realpatriot71]

"The chariots of the Celestials [elohim] are twenty thousand; YHWH's is one of them." --Psalms

That sounds like "many gods". Do you believe in a single Holy and Supreme Being - none are greater - as God?

[null and void]

Since there has not been any contact this leads to the reasonable conclusion that we are (1) either alone or (2) ahead of the rest of the universe. ~ realpatriot71

Or: (3) there are advanced races out there that know we exist, but have no interest in talking to us. ~ Modernman

Or: (4) planets are very bad places, they have diseases, nasty natives, a deep gravity well, and poisonous atmospheres as often as not. Stick to the asteroids, they're sterile, easy to get to, easy to leave, and have all the resources you really need...

[Chris Talk]

Yes, but the only one [IMHO] we can know much about is YHWH, the God that made THIS world, the only god with whom WE have to do...

Since the Fall, the "god of this world" however is Satan, and I think Jesus called him that. I know Billy Graham does call Satan that.

I believe in many billions of celestial beings, "angels" and otherwise, and in thousands of UFO's based on this planet as well as the Moon, Mars, various moons of Mars, Uranus, Jupiter, Saturn etc.

[null and void]

Rumor has it they prefer the lean meats.

Great. My daughter's doomed...

[realpatriot71]

I am unaware of anywhere in the Bible where "Christian" is defined at all, much less in the way you say.

Like a dictionary? Christianity is not a religion, but rather a relationship between man and God. The Bible describes this relationship in great detail as well as how this relationship (God and Man) relates to the word of God. The Bible is clear that those who teach contrary to the Word of God, are not of God. The Bible is also clear that His people since the Resurrection has been those who've enetered into a relationship with Him by belief in Christ's scrifice.

So, the Bible is quite clear about (what a "Christian" is), the relationship one is to have with God, how a person in this relationship is to live, and how a person in this relationship uses the Word of Lord. Anything contrary to this is not, Christian.