When UFOs Arrive

www.popularmechanics.com ^ | February 2004 | BY JIM WILSON

[realpatriot71]

What's your take on them?

What I can say about crop circles is this: (1) they are made by intelligent minds - complex geometrical and fractal designs like crop circles do not show up randomly in nature (2) most (read: almost all) cannot be explained as hoaxes - crop circles have showed up in fields that were actively monitored with detection equipment for instance (3) occultic/esoteric/pagan symbols show up in the crop circles again and again, including the inverted pentagram.

Personally, I think the crop circles are part of the devil's plan to convince the world that aliens exist, from that point all hell can break lose in the devil's favor, especially if crop circles can cause anyone to stop believing in God altogether.

[realpatriot71]

Fascinating. I did not know that though had heard something in that ball park years ago. I love learning new things.

It was fascinating to me to learn about the beginnings of the Mystery religions with Nimrod after the flood. As plainly pointed out in the Bible, God confused the toungues @ Babel, and when the people dispearsed they took their mystery religion with them. This is why "religion" from the pagan world looks like it reapeats itself - same religion, different language. It's all "sun-centered" with "mother/son" worship - the Isis and Osiris story from Egypt is prototypical.

[realpatriot71]

I think you asserted something about individuals merging back into God or some such.

I pray that I never make such an assertion! :-)

My point was about the state of the dead, but as it is unrelated to this topic no need to bring the topic up again in detail I suppose. However, I found it interesting that the "secret document" (if true of course) mentioned that humans are spirit connected to the flesh, which is contrary to the "conventional wisdom" that man is flesh with a soul. Hmmmm - quite tangential to the topic at hand.

[Quix]

The distinction seems to be lost on me. It doesn't seem like a big deal.

In any case, God, for some mysterious reason, even seems to think it's important to RESURRECT US ALL. How that happens with someone burned to fumes could be interesting, indeed.

The key thing, to me, is, that our essence, our unique identities are important to God. He made us and desires to fellowship with each of us intimately forever.

That's the key issue, to me. He is able to make it happen if we accept Christ's Blood, salvation etc.

Sorry to ascribe something you did not say to you. I really didn't remember and was groping.

[Quix]

Some of that I have come across.

[Quix]

Sounds parallel to my assumptions about them--or the same thing.

Thanks.

[realpatriot71]

Maybe we've exhausted the topic? I am surprised the thread made it to 1000+ posts. Too bad no one else seems to care.

[TigersEye]

There is no intelligent life on other plantes.

You're projecting. Just because there's no intelligent life on this planet ... !!!

[Momaw Nadon]

I am interested in how you would answer the questions I posed in post #987.

[Quix]

Ah well, this will be an evolving topic, probably until we go home to Glory.

We may come back to this thread or others as we have other thoughts, questions or info bearing on the topic.

I was thinking in the shower . . . maybe being all wet helps . . .

I have been uncomfortable in my spirit looking at some crop circles--actually maybe most of them. I'm not anything near an expert on occult symbols though I know some.

Nevertheless, some circles are beautiful. Am reminded of the book--THE BEAUTIFUL FACE OF EVIL or some such.

Chris, what is your perspective on the crop circles?

[Chris Talk]

1. Are we alone in the universe? No.

2. Is the earth being visited by alien species? Yes. If these are just the devil and his angels, they are doing a very good job of appearing to be alien species. In any event they are non-human and thus alien. Yes.

3. Not so much "hostile" as "inimical," I would say. Coldly neutral at best.

4. Yes. Many hundreds of thousands say they have, and millions strongly suspect it.

5. Yes.

6. Yes. Constantly.

7. Demonic, perverse.

8. Demonic, perverse. Demand Christianity be eliminated.

9. Yes, but it has already been put off much longer than I would have thought possible. Maybe another 15 or 25 years. Maybe a tenth of that.

10. Far more level headed and sane than govt. will ever give us credit for.

11. I don't know what it Can really do, but giving in and enforcing and imposing the ET/alien agenda as it has for the last 50 years has certainly been a bummer.

[Quix]

Sounds pretty accurate from my best guesses.

[Cvengr]

Scripturally, we would understand to be body (flesh), soul (mind or consciousness), and upon faith in Christ..reborn alive in spirit.

To an unbeliever, they might discern body and soul, but generally from an empirical or rationalistic perspective simply identify spirit with soulish behavior.

To an unbeliever who has been lured into the occult, the spirit is probably more associated with ghosts or beings without bodies, which man might perhaps also have, although they associate it with the soul, since they are dead to spiritual matters.

Accordingly, in a desire to become pantheistic, a deception might well follow the line of the letter, now ascribing humans as spirits, attached to a body. Such an explanation would seem reasonable to an unbeliever to explain phenomena such as demon possession, to demon influenced perceivers.

Occultic groups such as freemasonry and wiccans, who strive towards worldly power and control would easily consider such a position to be significant information which they had gleaned from their occultic associations over time.

Too bad they can't just place faith in God through Christ and allow the Holy Spirit to do His work through them and train them at His pace.

[Cvengr]

Crop circles are perplexing. The complexity of some of them would lend their fabrication to an electromagnetic field device in the causal chain of their formation. IMHO, Too complex and large to be planned, implemented and formed at night in stealth by concrete masonry/forming/surveying techniques.

On the other hand, some of the figures ahve been more playfully arranged than occultic, so as to give the impression of being the consequence of an E-3 at the controls of a satellite based weapon system registering his device with any .jpg figure he might have on his PC.

It would be tough enough to survey in these positions at night let alone obtain the consistency in matting of the crop to attribute this to manual methods by hoaxers. It also tends to discredit an advanced alien species.

Seems more like communication from somebody with access to the method, but on the inside where nobody is holding him accountable. Just visceral enough to deny accountability, but ostentatious enough to not be deniable.

For example, the eye of horus,...why the pixelation of the eye, but the outline is circular,...if a hoax, the eye would have been easier to form with a rope like hoaxers claim.

[biblewonk]

You're projecting. Just because there's no intelligent life on this planet ... !!!

I'm amazed this thread has gone on this long. There's more x-files fans out there than I realized.

[Cvengr]

1.Are we alone in the universe, or do you think it is probable that intelligent alien species exist?
A: Yes, because I know angels and fallen angels exist, who possess and have possessed bodies, spirit, emotional character, and thoughtful intent.

2. Is Earth being visited by alien species?
2A: By angels, fallen or elect, yes,..others perhaps, but all fall under the authority of Jesus Christ.

3.Are the intentions of the extraterrestrials benevolent, neutral, or hostile?
3A. Malevolent, although by studying Scripture, if ETs are identified with angelic beings, we understand there are those who are malevolent and others who are benevolent and also those who are neutral in that we are in a different domain from their ordained authority.

4. Have people been abducted by aliens?
4A: Demon possession exists. The abduction and relocation of persons and their bodies is frequently reported of sufficient number and diverse situations to give credance to some if not all reports. Some arguments might be made wherein there is more incentive to not report such an event than to report them. Manmade institutions which are influenced by worldly interests are not structured to address these issues unless on an occultic malevolent level or on a level independent of any Divine righteousness. For this reason, those who might be alone in their experience who seek justice through worldly institutions will probably be treated as nuts.

5. Do you believe that the United States government, or other governments are aware of an extraterrestrial presence?
5A. It's a big government. Yes. To what extent and how well informed? Different question.

6. Do you believe that the government has already made contact with extraterrestrials?
6A. As identified with angels or fallen angels,..malevlent spirits,..yes,...again to what capacity is hidden. I'd come closer to considering some clique within uppoer echelons of freemasonry/Illuminati/occult circles who happen to have positions within the government as an inner cabal to be the parties dabbling in this issue.

7. Do you think that aliens are angelic or demonic, or are they merely here to study our planet and its occupants?
7A. If demons, then angelic as in fallen angels. Other angels may also be involved. There may be other creatures in the gallactic zoo involved as flesh for disembodied spirits of some beings. Scripture by Divine revelation would indicate Satan's agenda is to counterfeit God's plan and he seeks to disrupt any past Divine Decree or ordinance if possible. He might be seeking to destroy conditions for a Rapture, a Second Coming, or details within revelation of Prophecy.

8. What do you believe the intentions of the aliens to be? 8A:To malevolently deceive as demons, and as the elect angels to remian obedient to God and full of grace.

9. Do you think that there will ever be irrefutable public disclosure of the existence of extraterrestrials (i.e. UFOs overtly land on the White House lawn or in major cities, or the President will come on TV and announce that contact with an alien species has be made)?
9A. Angels have already been around and many people still don't believe in them. Jesus Christ will make a second coming. During the Great Tribulation fallen angels with bodies IMHO, will reenter and torment unbelieving mankind.

IMHO, many of these events are setting the stage so to speak for ulterior games and strategies in preparation for the Tribulation and ploys by fallen angels to overt their destiny as already declared by God.

10. What do you think the reaction of the public will be if widespread disclosure is made as in the previous question?
10A: Most of the public will accept their existence, many along a New Ager perspective. Some will remian devout to Scripture and avoid that domain.

11.What should the government be doing to prepare for the overt, widespread arrival of extraterrestrials?
11A. The same any person should do regardless of ETs. First place faith in God through Christ. Study His Word, think it through and walk by faith in Him. If government or the people cannot bring themselves to accept God, on His terms, they will always be pawns of Divine consequences without hope of any eternal peace.

[realpatriot71]

I'm not anything near an expert on occult symbols though I know some.

Pentagrams, hexagrams( Star of David), "all seeing" eyes, and sun-god symbols are often the entire crop circle or incorrporated. One symbol that showed up near a Castle (Ashbury - think) was the exact symbol that the hermetic orders use to represent their "trinity". Food for thought IMHO.

Nevertheless, some circles are beautiful.

It's almost chilling - there is something in the geometry or design of the crop circles that almost speaks to you when you view them. Beautiful, strange, and creepy at the same time.

[realpatriot71]

The Bible indicates the we are souls, not that we have souls (Gen 2:7), and as such, what makes a soul? The same verse referenced before says dust and God's breath - life(!). We do not "live" as humans without both, as both are necessary conditions for life, niether is sufficient for human life by itself. Consciousness can only occur when both are present. Man is a living soul.

I personally found it interesting that the "secret document" seemed to take a purely Biblical stance on the "life situation" of the human.

[realpatriot71]

Seems more like communication from somebody with access to the method, but on the inside where nobody is holding him accountable. Just visceral enough to deny accountability, but ostentatious enough to not be deniable.

What do you mean by "on the inside"?

[TigersEye]

Fans? You are quite a diplomat. 'In-patients' was the word that came to my mind. ;^)