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Oklahoma coach admits only conference champs should play in BCS title game.
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Posted on 12/08/2003 2:09:50 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie

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To: PRND21
I guess they defied HIS expectations at least!!!!!!!!!!!!!
61 posted on 12/08/2003 6:01:41 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Shermy
Ok didn't even have its OC or DC available.

Brent Venables IS the Defensive Coordinator for Oklahoma. He assumed that post at the conclusion of the Big 12 championship game as Mike Stoops departed for Arizona.

I guess everyone wants Oklahoma to apologize for playing poorly in a game that didn't matter a bit. Don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon.

62 posted on 12/08/2003 6:18:36 PM PST by kwyjibo
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To: raptor29
Tulsa finished 8-4.
63 posted on 12/08/2003 6:23:36 PM PST by kwyjibo
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I am already sick of the barefoot Sooner apologists and their convoluted whining...

If anyone's whining, it's the USC fans. USC would have been stuck at #3 in the BCS regardless of how OU fared on Saturday. Of the top three teams (and everyone else in Division 1-A for that matter) Oklahoma was the only team to win all the games it HAD to win. The top spot in the BCS was locked up three weeks ago. Their players watch ESPN just like the rest of us and their minds (judging by the way they played, anyway) were already in New Orleans.

Sure, the BCS stinks. But all teams knew (or should have known) the rules of the BCS at the beginning of the season. There is no requirement that a team win its conference to play in the national championship game. If there was such a rule, we may have seen a different result in Kansas City. Or maybe not. We'll never know.

This is not DU. When there is a law that we don't like, we don't rush to the Ninth Circuit to have some judge rewrite it or throw it out. We work through the legislature and write a new law. Hopefully that new law will be a playoff system. But, sadly, I think we'll see Mack Brown win a national championship before that happens. ;^)

64 posted on 12/08/2003 7:13:40 PM PST by kwyjibo
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To: kwyjibo
I guess everyone wants Oklahoma to apologize for playing poorly in a game that didn't matter a bit. Don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon.

Yeah, it was only the conference championship, and a chance to accept the laurels that were being already bestowed as the best college team ever.

No wonder they played like crap. It didn't matter a bit.

65 posted on 12/08/2003 7:24:05 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: DocJ69
Hey Doc, no need to apologize about the calls and maybe White having an "off" game. I'm a Sooner fan, but K State deserves credit for out-playing and out-coaching OU in every way. If White was "off", then so was the Sooner defense, receivers, line, and coaches. It just looked to me like K State played one heck of a game. I'm not sure any team could have beat you guys Saturday night.

Let's just play the bowl games and then see where the chips fall. Don't you just love the sound of that west coast whine? Go get 'em Wolverines!
66 posted on 12/08/2003 7:26:49 PM PST by velund
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To: Dog Gone
Let's see. Oklahoma went into the game #1 and came out of the game #1 in the rankings that determine the national championship participants. This despite having their @$$es handed to them. So I think it fits the definition of "it doesn't matter", at least from OU's perspective. It's obvious that the Big XII championship is the biggest moment in KSU football history.

As far as the "best team ever" stuff, that would have been nice but they don't give you a trophy for that.

67 posted on 12/08/2003 7:43:04 PM PST by kwyjibo
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To: kwyjibo
If you think it didn't matter to the OU players, or to the alumni, I wonder whether you're really in touch with them.

Of course it mattered. The fact that they're not only permitted to play for the national championship without winning their conference is a fluke. Either the conference championship means nothing, or the BCS means nothing.

Take your pick.

68 posted on 12/08/2003 7:49:09 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: raptor29; NWU Army ROTC
"And I agree with you. Oklahoma is pretty good, and I fully expect them to redeem themselves against LSU, perhaps by quite a margin."

The SEC had a down year, but don't underestimate LSU like the polls and the rest of the country is doing.

They are very good on defense, with blazing speed. Oklahoma will not beat them throwing the ball, and bettter avoid third and long like the plague.

On offense, they have a senior qb who isn't spectacular, but is smart, patient, and is very good running the offense. They have three very good receivers who all have blazing speed. And they have a freshman back that just ran for 200 yards on my dawgs, who have a good defense.

This matchup is very similar to the '93 Sugar Bowl between Miami-Alabama. Miami came into game ranked #1, with a good offense. Alabama had the nation's best defense.

Nobody outside SEC country even gave a thought to Alabama having a prayer.

But Alabama beat Miami, once again proving a simple truth in football, the team with the better defense wins in big games.

I think this one is going to turn out the same way. LSU is not going to give the sooner qb the time to stand in the pocket and beat them throwing the ball downfield. If the sooners can't run the ball against this front seven, and I don't think they can, they have little hope of beating LSU.

69 posted on 12/08/2003 8:54:10 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: kwyjibo
"I think it's the biggest game for this team this year," White said. "It is one of our major goals to win the Big 12 championship. Without a win this Saturday it is going to seem these past 12 wins were nonexistent."

-Jason White, before the big XII championship game

70 posted on 12/08/2003 9:31:24 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Dog Gone
I'd take Utah/BYU and San Diego State.
71 posted on 12/08/2003 9:44:13 PM PST by PRND21
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Word on Michigan is that their secondary is weak.

Oops.

72 posted on 12/08/2003 9:47:41 PM PST by PRND21
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To: kwyjibo
As far as the "best team ever" stuff, that would have been nice but they don't give you a trophy for that.

That's not the only trophy OU lost.

Carson Palmer Bump

73 posted on 12/08/2003 9:58:26 PM PST by PRND21
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To: PRND21
Actually, I've heard Michigan's secondary is pretty strong. I think SC's D better tighten up too, although they seem to make a lot of big plays to balance the yards they give up in the air.
74 posted on 12/08/2003 10:06:05 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Vigilantcitizen
I will give you this, Florida was robbed against Florida State, worst officiating I have ever seen. And I remember some badly officiated games. And I like to think of my self as a disinterested observer, since I really don't care for any team from Florida, though Florida is my favorite out of the tree (favorite as in, I hate them the least). God Bless
75 posted on 12/09/2003 9:49:37 AM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: PRND21
No Fresno State, they were really good a couple of years ago, and I think being in the Pac 10 will only lead to improvement as recruiting picks up?
76 posted on 12/09/2003 9:51:12 AM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: NWU Army ROTC
Personally I think it should be USC v. OU in the National Championship game, but only about ten people in the whole world agree with me. But OU racked up some impressive blow outs and one not so impressive passive blow out in a Big - 12 that isn't that easy.

I'm one of the ten. I think OU is the #1 team out there, because the Big 12 game aside, OU has dominated good teams (including BCS contenders), which is something that none of the other BCS teams has managed to do.

That said, I'd be happy with a four-team playoff at this point. I won't be surprised if the BCS falls apart when it's up in 2005 or whatever. It seems to be that about half the teams that make it into the BCS championship game shouldn't be there, and almost every year a team is left out that should be there.

Too many people are pissed off - the only thing holding back a playoff system is the college presidents who see the BCS $$$. Many coaches and ADs at the big schools will tell you they want playoffs, but you ask the presidents and they will give you a bunch of reasons why playoffs can't happen.

I posted in another thread about this, but my local school's president (Texas) said a playoff system would eat into finals among other things. This while the Texas men's basketball team is in New York right now (finals start this week, imagine that), and plenty of other sports play through finals, have longer seasons than football, and are on the road more than football.

77 posted on 12/09/2003 10:17:40 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: PRND21
That's not the only trophy OU lost.

I think you're right about that. White wasn't even the most deserving player on his team. Mark Clayton was the Sooners' top performer this season.

So who will it be? Larry or Eli? Or someone else?

78 posted on 12/09/2003 7:51:34 PM PST by kwyjibo
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To: SoCal Pubbie
What did you expect him to say? "Our goal is a national championship. The Big XII title would be nice, but our minds are on the Sugar Bowl right now."? He was probably reading cue cards.

This is the same guy who waxed eloquent on a famous leader during his bio shown in the game:

White: "My favorite historical figure is Winston Churchill. Never has a man... done so much." Profound.

I know they wanted to win the game. But I don't think they had the same sense of urgency that they would have in a must-win situation. In which case they may have lost 35-21 instead of 35-7. Or they may have won.

It's too bad that USC got left out. But the Trojans can still win the Rose Bowl, wear their championship rings, and get ready to steamroll the rest of the NCAA in 2004. So it's not all bad.

79 posted on 12/09/2003 8:07:37 PM PST by kwyjibo
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To: Vigilantcitizen
If the sooners can't run the ball against this front seven...

OU can't run the ball against anyone, and they certainly won't against LSU. If LSU can get pressure on White they'll win. If they don't, they might anyway.

80 posted on 12/09/2003 8:11:20 PM PST by kwyjibo
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