WW3 IS INEVITABLE – COMPROMISE ISN’T AN OPTION.

Burning Platform ^ | 5 Sep 25 | Administrator

[Brian Griffin]

My suggested negotiating framework:

Step 1, Terms Written Up: Days 1-14

The Russians should be asked to type up a complete long-term peace proposal.

The Ukrainians should be asked to type up a complete long-term peace proposal.

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In Putin’s dream world, every Russian demand would be incorporated in the final deal, which would be made public.

There’s no legitimate reason for secrecy.

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Once all the demands of both sides are known, our State Department could write up a proposal that Putin might accept, which could be offered up to Putin if Ukraine agrees. If Ukraine doesn’t want to work with the US via such a proposal or a reasonable modification thereof, Zelensky can be told to sell war bonds.

[delta7]

Once all the demands of both sides are known,
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Where have you been? Reading western MSM? Watch Vlads many recent speeches ( the recent one at the China, Russian, Indian SCO in Beijing spelled much out), very good informative speech.

Western MSM doesn’t publish his many speeches. If you watch them you will know why. Any one seriously watching this war reads all his speeches, and even the decrepit old Neo- Con Kellog. Whitkoff knows Vlad’s demands have not changed since the first torpedoed Peace agreement in Istanbul two years ago.

They had an agreement ready to sign but Boris Johnson flew to Kiev and told St Z not to sign it.

[delta7]

What Putin wants is a revived Russian empire. He has said so.
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BS, links please.Vlad has had thirty years to do that, he never did. What he has stated is Neuvo Russia- which is the five provinces of ethnic Russian origin….
Which he now holds….and it has been codified into Russian law by their Congress ( Duma)….yes Johhny, those evil Russians have a democratic government.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

It is Germany, Frogland, and euroweenie globalists need WWIIII to remain in power.

[Pete Dovgan]

“What has become obvious is that Putin wants, hopes and prays for WWIII.”

I am not sure of that. What are Vlad the Invaders options right now:

1. He gets total victory in Ukraine, and sets up a strategic border with the rest of NATO. Very Unlikely and millions more going to die trying to achieve it.

2. He loses to Ukraine (or combined Ukraine-Europe), and Russia has to Surrender. I think unlikely, but possible.

3. He loses ground to Ukraine (or to combined Europe and Ukraine) and has to accept a peace deal to prevent even more loss and humiliation. Unfortunately becoming quickly more likely. Expect Putin life to end shortly after, IMHO (failure will cost him it).

4. He makes a peace deal, with the most favorable terms occupying swaths of land that Russia has bled for. Likely, but will have hostile and likely new NATO neighbor afterward.

5. He makes a peace deal, relinquishing most occupied land for peace, with a deal that prevent Ukraine from becoming NATO. Most likely, and best chance for Putin and his regime to survive long term.

When you look at the outcome and options, Putin best deal is already behind him. He can try to make a deal now, before Europe gets involved, Vlad probably gets to continue. However, if Europe gets involved and more concessions become necessary it’s more likely Russia will ‘eliminate’ him afterward.

I therefore believe a peace deal is likely forthcoming in the next few months. Vlad has the most to gain by that happening now. I don’t think Vlad wants WWIII.

[citizen]

They had an agreement ready to sign but Boris Johnson flew to Kiev and told St Z not to sign it.

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This.

[Wuli]

ROFWL Easy to see, the Kremlin called and you all answered.

[Kazan]

So, you can't refute a point a point I made because everything I said was true.

You're a ridiculous war pig.

If anyone is being paid to post propaganda here, it's you and your fellow Zeepers.

You're scum, supporting globalist policies that are destroy nations in Europe like France, Britain and Germany.

[ModelBreaker]

“It does not always work out well for Russia.”

WWII worked out brilliantly for Stalin and the Russian elite. FDR and Harry Hopkins financed their war and then financed their post-war industrial structure that made them a superpower for a while.

They blew it with their communist economic system. The industrial might they extracted from American useful idiots and that they packed up and shipped home from occupied Germany, Poland etc could have been the basis for a super power with many many decades of prosperity.

Of course the German and Russian styles of war didn’t work out so well for the Russian soldiers. But for the Russian Communist party, it was a godsend that they blew.

[woodpusher]

What has become obvious is that Putin wants, hopes and prays for WWIII.

If that were truly what Putin wanted, he could have sent a missile to any NATO country.

Zelensky has managed to send two; Putin zero.

[Red6]

Russia isn’t that powerful.

They are just trying to “hang on” to what they have.

Ukraine was where the interests of the EU and US converged regards grabbing territory that is in Russia’s sphere.

Unlike Syria or Iraq which is mostly the US trying to grab land from Russia, Ukraine is both us and the EU.

The US alone is far more powerful than Russia in literally every aspect. But when you add in NATO and compare that to the CSTO, it’s not even a fair match up anymore. Something like a 1:5 manpower and 1:10 budget superiority regards military, 1:15 carriers, 1:7 satellites, 1:4 population, 1:20 in economic volume, a far greater tech and manufacturing base, NATO has three nuclear powers with a far greater arsenal, more EVERYTHING, and it’s newer and higher tech...

BUT, unlike some South American and Middle East nations we’re used to dealing with, Russia while far weaker than us, is able to push back militarily. They are not entirely defenseless and even economically and politically can stand up to us, to are large extent (example, our sanctions are hardly as effective as many hoped these would be and Russia is not politically isolated).

We try to present Russia as a threat (a reciprocal argument) while it is us expanding into their border areas, seizing nations aligned or even allied with them in Africa, the Middle East... We are crawling all over them, ignoring promises made as with NATO expansion (we just lied, flat out lied), cheating on treaties (we didn’t count new commers Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia in the CFE), withdrawing from the Ballistic Missile Treaty when it suits us.

It’s a case where the bully on the playground, beating the crap out of some smaller kid, pretends he’s the victim and says, “but the other kid started it.”

If things became “existential” for Russia, if we really pushed them that far, it could become nuclear since they cannot stand ground with us conventionally, unconventionally, economically, in the information domain, or anywhere else for that matter.

Funny / ironic: the concept of “spheres of influence” is intended to prevent such nonsense wars, respecting other nations and their regional interests, and today we turn this concept into something negative, even though EVERY NATION ON EARTH has a sphere of influence even those claiming Russia has no right to such.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/defence/news/russia-has-no-right-to-establish-a-sphere-of-influence-nato-chief-says/ Is he saying Germany does not have a sphere of influence? Ask the Serbs, Greeks, Poles, Hungarians if that’s true. Is he saying France and the UK don’t have a sphere of influence that is militarily backed up in South America and Africa? Ask Argentina or Chad, Ivory Coast, Senegal if that’s true.

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Keep your spirit up.

Trump is trying to de-escalate things and there is movement made that is not much reported on, or spun in a negative way. The liberal MSM (normally adverse to war) in this case is foaming at the mouth as a war cheerleader, since it’s a Biden / Democrat war, the US and EU, big corporations (multi-national corporations) all supported this.

All the “inertia” was for war. On certain issues you get this inertia where all the forces line up, pulling in one direction. On such issues, like an avalanche, things get set in motion that can’t be easily stopped, and they tend to get taken to far, example: Covid.

It was an election year and politically exploited, government bureaucracy stood to gain (budgets and scope of powers), as did big pharma and the MSM which is always looking for their next big shocking story. Once the government promised “free money” to many of the big corporations that might stand to lose if shut down (example: airlines) all resistance was gone, and we went into full stupid mode.

Us cutting the funding for much of the military buildup in the Baltic states... That is a de-escalating move and Russia surely sees this. The spiral of escalation ended when Trump entered office, and that’s a good thing.

We can’t just cut Ukraine off and we do want them to get the best deal possible. They are an ally, we are largely to blame for this mess, so it’s our responsibility. Yes, we’re in a deep hole dug over 3 years of escalation as Ukraine began losing, in the hopes that could turn things around.

Like with Covid, which culminated with illegal mandates, firing people, violations of privacy rights...

In Ukraine as the stupid dial was cranked up, we ended up playing with terrorism (no doubt we at least knew about some of these events and had to go along with them), providing longer range weapons so Ukraine can target deep into Russia (what would these war advocates say if Russia struck targets deep in the West?)... Not sure if you noticed, but without public fanfare or press coverage, most of this has ended.

Of course, Russia has the capability to engage in terrorist acts in the West, of course they could have launched missiles our way as well, but they didn’t (even though we did these things to them). Russia has practiced EXTREME restraint in this war.

Irony: probably the biggest act of terrorism in this entire conflict, with national level economic implications, is one Western (NATO) ally on another: https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

Peace / ending this conflict will not be an easy task as Trump has surely figured out.

As I stated before, this will likely not end in some grand treaty right as Trump comes into office. What you will see are several incremental steps of de-escalation, some time making deals and reopening dialog, and then will come the treaty.

The point is all hope is not lost.

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My real fear-

The West will have learned NOTHING!

Instead of learning where Russia’s boundaries are, we will simply begin the game of encroaching on them again once Trump is gone.

Boundaries without an enforcement mechanism mean nothing. That is why every treaty Russia had with us we violated (CFE), was no more than a trick/scam (Minsk) just to buy time, we withdrew from when convenient (Ballistic Missile Treaty), every promise we made we broke (NATO East expansion).

This is a case where one side has the complete upper hand and has a benefit in screwing over the other side. Forget morals or anything like that. Individuals have morals, nations have interests.

It’s like going to a car dealer and “needing a car really bad” and that dealer knowing this. He has the power and can screw you over. He might be a decent guy (Trump) and will make a solid deal for himself, but many will gouge you (Biden). There is nothing that can keep us fair and straight in our dealings with Russia and you have economic interests in the West that are pulling the policy makers in a certain direction.

The only thing which will likely cause this issue to subside is as China makes their debut on the world stage as a new super-power, which ultimately challenges us. This will happen in the next 10 years. They are working on it. Once that happens, our priorities will change.

[Rocco DiPippo]

"ROFWL Easy to see, the Kremlin called and you all answered."

Easy to see Zeepi, that your boy in Chicken Kiev called and you, in a giddy panic sashayed over to his place, pretended to trip on the homo-pink shag carpeting in his office and "accidentally" fell face down into his lap with your mouth open.

SLOBBO URCRAYKNEE! FREE DON BASS! FREE DON CORNELIUS and the SOUL TRAIN DANCERS!!! PLYZNSKA GRMZNSKY ZYLINITSKYNASKITSKI!!!!!

Man, you Zeepers suck at being clever or funny. You always fall flat. You lack timing and a sense of humor. You are boring, pedantic windbags and insufferable scolds. You just suck.

[Allegra]

ROFWL Easy to see, the Kremlin called and you all answered.

Really? That’s all you have? That same canned response, falsely accusing FReepers of being supportive of Russia just because they aren’t salivating at the thought of another forever war?

That same tired nonsense you’re all taught on Day 1 of Zeeper Troll Class?

Yet, when challenged to provide proof of someone’s support of Russia or Putin, you’re all unable to do so. Why is that?

You all use the same worn-out tactics and then you wonder why you aren’t taken seriously.

You zeeps really need to get some new material.

[Wuli]

This applies to you 100% - You all use the same worn-out tactics and then you wonder why you aren’t taken seriously.

[Allegra]

Really, zeeper? The “I know you are but what am I?” retort? Another one you all use.

I don’t know who has possession of the zeeper brain cell today, but I’m pretty sure I know who doesn’t. 😂

[tennmountainman]

“SLOBBO URCRAYKNEE!”
To All Our Zeepers Indeed!

[rxh4n1]

“most likely outcome? The EU collapses, and Ukraine ceases to exist as a nation.”

Maybe not. More likely is they lure us in, cut and run when the going gets rough, and leave good old Uncle Sucker holding the bag.

[rxh4n1]

“What Putin wants is a revived Russian empire. He has said so.”

Just stop with this BS already. They can’t do it and they’re not going to try. This is a ridiculous Uke fantasy meant to get us into war with Russia. That’s the Ukes goal.