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Ukraine’s Drone Attack on Russia’s Bomber Fleet Won’t Win the War
National Security Journal ^ | 6/2/2025 | Andrew Latham

Posted on 06/03/2025 6:10:16 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111

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To: NorseViking

That was a none answer to a question that you never answer.

You had no expectations of how the military invasion would go in the first week or two or three, or what the attack on Kiev would look like and result in on that first day it was attacked?


61 posted on 06/03/2025 10:23:48 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: whyilovetexas111

Well, duh! Wars aren’t won by single attacks. The Ukraine war in particular is a war of attrition.


62 posted on 06/03/2025 10:27:48 AM PDT by Thud
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To: ansel12

I literally answered the question. It may be a sign of dementia if you confuse the answer you don’t agree with and the lack of answer.


63 posted on 06/03/2025 10:33:04 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

So you had zero expectations of how a military invasion would go, had no expectations of how the battle for Kiev would go when you saw your paratroops landing and scenes of combat.

Before the invasion you anticipated a simple signing ceremony, and after you saw the invasion launched you never gave it another thought about how the battles would go.

Actually, coming from a Russian officer, that might explain what we saw from the shocked Russian forces back then.


64 posted on 06/03/2025 10:51:34 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: whyilovetexas111

BREAKING NEWS Leavitt CONFIRMS Trump was NOT informed of drone strike on Russian bombers.


65 posted on 06/03/2025 10:52:50 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: odawg

>> It would have been so much better if Zelensky had ceded
>> those two provinces to the Russians

But they want more than that. They want to dictate Ukraine internal policies - “denazification” - give up the language and Ukrainian national identity. Have a pro-Russian puppet government in Kyiv. Everything.


66 posted on 06/03/2025 10:53:01 AM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: ansel12

Lol. This post of yours is a sign of utter military incompetence. If it was true, Russia would not have been able to continue the war beyond a couple of weeks.
You can’t organize logistics for such exchange in operations from get go. It is particularly funny coming from a man claiming to belong to the US military that is not particularly flexible or quick on such things. How long did it took to forward deploy for Desert Storm?


67 posted on 06/03/2025 11:02:44 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Starboard
Exactly. 🙂👍

It is not a case of capitulation. It has everything to do with stopping confrontations in its earliest stages, and pray that they solve the issues before a kinetic engagement is started.

That is not what happened. That was because the desire was to create a kinetic confrontation via a proxy war.

The carrot for Ukraine to become involved was NATO membership, that I contend was not offered with sincerity, the stick for Russia was the threat of NATO expansion along Ukraine's border with Russia.

This was achieved with the deceitful tactic of pretense of working towards a peaceful solution.

Angela Merkle who was so proud that she exposed that the Minsk Accords were used merely to buy time to arm & train Ukraine militarily.

The only logical conclusion has to be, that a kinetic engagement was the outcome desired. It was not only a geopolitical blunder of epic proportions, but it was a dangerous plan to follow, for it was full of pitfalls that many still do not even acknowledge. They still think the right plan was executed, even after its obvious failure.

68 posted on 06/03/2025 11:04:32 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: NorseViking

Weird response to post 64,it was accurate, you claim to not have any expectations of how your military invasion would go when or if it started and didn’t even have any expectations of how your attack on Kiev would go when you first saw your paratroops landing.

It seems like you would have had some thoughts on those.


69 posted on 06/03/2025 11:10:18 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

No. It is just a normal approach. You know what you want your enemy to do, you lay out terms and make a threat.
If the threat isn’t working you are continuing with a war.
The US does around similar lines, except there would have been some terror bombing to back the threat. Russia didn’t do it because Kiev is the mother of Russian cities.
You probably fail to realize that your version attach to the Russian military a superhuman status.
Coming for a parade and outright converting to a total war against the enemy that mobilized a million troops with full NATO support, and kicking the crap out of all of this.
Do even even know what operational and strategic levels are?


70 posted on 06/03/2025 11:19:21 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

The question was
“If you were being honest about your military, since you were a field grade officer in it (Major I guess), 4 years ago did you expect to see an impressive display of Russian military modernization and training while it invaded Ukraine, or did you truly believe that so many years later you would be offering up explanations of attrition and who could better absorb the massive losses of year after year, after year?”


71 posted on 06/03/2025 11:21:41 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: SaxxonWoods
“Russia took 450 square kilometers of land in May.”

20% the size of New York city. So it's nearly over. Very stronk gains.

72 posted on 06/03/2025 11:27:51 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: ansel12
It seems like you would have had some thoughts on those.

The Russian Bot Farm that posts under the name Norse Viking has no thoughts not approved of by the FSB.

Certainly none that will be publicly expressed.

And to be fair, if my posts were apt to get my fingernails torn out, I'd be more circumspect in what I post.

73 posted on 06/03/2025 11:32:02 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: ansel12

I answered the essence of the question. Why should I be led by the manipulative wording of it?
By the way, do you truly believe that “the training and modernization” exclude attrition scenarios and do you also think that the attrition scenarios imply “absorption of massive losses?”

Is the infamous Melitopol “counter-offensive” planned in Pentagon, led by the US LTG Aguto and performed by NATO-trained and equipped forces that cost them 160k casualties an impressive display of NATO superiority?:)


74 posted on 06/03/2025 11:39:49 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Pilsner

As a retired Russian field grade officer he could be interesting if he would post as a freeper rather than just posting his bland propaganda, and he could do that without betraying Putin but by describing simple things, such as how he thought his military would perform before we actually saw it in action, or how he had thought the attempt to take Kiev would go when the cream of his army first landed at the airport.


75 posted on 06/03/2025 11:40:48 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

Everyone who understands a thing or two is pretty impressed by the Russian performance and that includes American officers.
What is wrong with that performance?
I also asked a couple questions to figure out does your level of expertise allows to discuss these matters.
Would you please to answer them?


76 posted on 06/03/2025 11:58:30 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking
"Everyone who understands a thing or two is pretty impressed by the Russian performance and that includes American officers. What is wrong with that performance?"


77 posted on 06/03/2025 12:03:00 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

I was talking of people who understand a thing or two, not you.


78 posted on 06/03/2025 12:07:53 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

I don’t recall the world being impressed with the beginning of the invasion nor the attempt to take Kiev, even you seem to have blocked that out, in fact everyone was shocked to learn how corrupt and incompetent the Russian military was at the time, it totally reversed all the careful image building Putin had done for the military in the years preceding seeing them in actual use.


79 posted on 06/03/2025 12:12:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: NorseViking
You dudes weren't able to achieve air-superiority, even before any western weapons were delivered. You got many ships, including a friggin flagship destroyed by simple drones, your land operations are based on blind, mass artillery fire, you had to recruit friggin pedophiles into the army just to hold the ground, you had to import North Koreans.
80 posted on 06/03/2025 12:18:52 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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