How much manipulation in silver’s price can now be identified?

Bill Holter ^ | 23 Feb 25 | Bill Holtet

[delta7]

Is silver pricing manipulated? AI gives an answer.”

How much manipulation in silver’s price can now be identified?

Identifying the exact extent of manipulation in silver’s price is challenging because it involves a mix of verifiable data, allegations, and market dynamics that are not fully transparent. However, based on available evidence, expert analyses, and historical cases, we can outline some key areas where manipulation has been identified and discuss how much it might influence silver prices as of February 22, 2025.

Evidence of Manipulation

Historical Legal Cases: JPMorgan Chase (2020): JPMorgan paid a $920 million fine after admitting to “spoofing” in the silver and gold futures markets from 2008 to 2016. Spoofing involves placing large fake orders to manipulate prices, then canceling them. This case confirmed that a major player artificially influenced silver prices, though the exact impact on price levels is hard to quantify. Deutsche Bank (2016): Paid $38 million to settle silver price-fixing claims, suggesting coordinated efforts to suppress prices. Other banks, like HSBC and UBS, have faced similar allegations, pointing to a pattern among bullion banks. These cases show manipulation occurred, but they cover specific periods and tactics, not a continuous, measurable effect. Futures Market Discrepancies: The silver futures market, particularly on the COMEX, trades vastly more “paper silver” than physical silver exists. For example, posts on X and analyses note daily trading volumes of 384 million to 527 million ounces in 2024, compared to annual global production of around 800-850 million ounces. This suggests a ratio of paper to physical silver as high as 100:1 or more, allowing price suppression through oversupply of contracts not backed by metal. Critics argue this disconnect keeps prices below what supply and demand fundamentals would dictate, though no precise dollar amount of suppression is universally agreed upon. Physical Demand vs. Price: Silver has been in a supply deficit for several years (e.g., four years as of early 2025 per X posts), with industrial use (like solar panels) and investment demand rising. Yet, prices remain relatively low—around $32.50 per ounce recently—compared to historical highs near $50 (1980, 2011). Analysts like those at The Jerusalem Post and Sprott Money suggest this gap reflects ongoing suppression, potentially by $10-$20 per ounce or more, though this is speculative. Regulatory Findings: The Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) investigated silver manipulation from 2008 to 2013 but found no “viable basis” for enforcement action at that time. However, later fines and settlements indicate manipulation persists, just not always provable in real-time. Quantifying the Impact

Quantifying manipulation’s exact effect on silver prices is difficult due to:

Opaque Markets: The COMEX and London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) lack full transparency on trading positions and physical inventories. Multiple Factors: Prices reflect not just manipulation but also macroeconomic conditions (e.g., interest rates, dollar strength), industrial demand, and investor sentiment. Estimates Vary: Some analysts, like David Morgan, suggest prices could be 50% or more below their “true” value (implying $50+ per ounce today), while others see suppression as more modest, perhaps $5-$10 per ounce, based on historical spoofing impacts and futures leverage. A rough estimate from market observers:

Short-Term Manipulation: Tactics like spoofing or large futures dumps can cause daily or weekly price swings of 5-10% (e.g., $1.50-$3 at current levels), as seen in “morning manipulation slams” noted on X. Long-Term Suppression: If physical shortages and deficits were fully priced in without paper market interference, some argue silver could trade at $40-$100 per ounce, based on gold-to-silver ratios (historically 15:1 to 60:1, now ~90:1) and industrial scarcity. This implies a suppression range of $7.50 to $67.50 per ounce, though the higher end is highly speculative. Current Identification as of February 22, 2025

As of now:

Confirmed Manipulation: Past legal cases prove manipulation lowered prices during specific periods (e.g., 2008-2016), but current instances are harder to pin down without new convictions. Ongoing Suspicions: High paper-to-physical ratios and price resistance despite deficits strongly suggest continued interference. Posts on X highlight daily volumes dwarfing deliveries (e.g., 437 million ounces traded vs. 269 COMEX deliveries on February 12, 2025), reinforcing this view. Magnitude: Experts and sentiment on platforms like X suggest suppression could range from 20% to over 100% of the current price ($6.50-$32.50+), but no definitive data pegs it precisely. The most conservative, evidence-based estimate might be 10-30% ($3-$10 per ounce), aligning with past spoofing effects and market anomalies. Conclusion

While manipulation in silver’s price is identifiable through legal precedents, futures market distortions, and supply-demand mismatches, its exact scale remains elusive. As of February 22, 2025, the best estimate—balancing evidence and skepticism—is that manipulation may suppress prices by $3-$10 per ounce in the short term, with potential for greater long-term effects if systemic issues unravel. However, without real-time transparency or new regulatory action, this remains an educated guess rather than a proven figure. The silver market’s complexity demands ongoing scrutiny to refine these estimates.

[kiryandil]

Your naysayers apparently don’t know about the Coinage Act of 1792 and the Coinage Act of 1834.

Though it’s not in the Constitution, it’s right down the street. :)

[Toddsterpatriot]

Though it’s not in the Constitution, it’s right down the street. :)

Like the Metropolitan Correctional Center is right down the street from the NYSE.

[PJ-Comix]

Is silver pricing manipulated? AI gives an answer.”

Why not just ask the offspring of H.L. Hunt for the answer?

[Vermont Lt]

Go ask AI…thats what I did.

[Toddsterpatriot]

I've looked at JPMorgan’s annual report.
Didn't see anything about a big short position.

[kiryandil]

The same crowd that wrote the Constitution were in on the Coinage Act of 1792, dooddster.

BTW - it’s pleasant around here when you’re gone, dooddster.

What Ukraine front line doink?

[Toddsterpatriot]

The same crowd that wrote the Constitution were in on the Coinage Act of 1792,

Don't tell me, tell the idiot who said it was in the Constitution.

What Ukraine front line doink?

Huh?

[kiryandil]

The Jerk Store called.

They’re running out of YOU.

[Vermont Lt]

Ok. As I’ve written three times….

[delta7]

Your naysayers apparently don’t know about the Coinage Act of 1792 and the Coinage Act of 1834.
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My naysayer(s) is ignorant, too lazy to dig deeper on topics of concern, and buys into MSM narratives.

https://www.usmint.gov/learn/history/us-circulating-coins

“ Coinage of silver and gold coins started in 1794 and 1795. But at first, these coins didn’t circulate. The Coinage Act of 1792 set * the ratio of silver to gold at 15:1, * which was different than the world market. U.S. gold coins were undervalued compared to silver, so they were exported and melted…”

On the subject, I find the US’s choice of establishing a monetary system based on what is actually found in the Earth ( 15 ounces silver to every 1 ounce gold )
remarkable. How could our early Founding Fathers have ever known the Earth’s silver/ gold ratio? Godly insight.