Posted on 02/22/2025 11:37:24 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
The Russia-Ukraine War: It Should Never Have Started
Three years ago, I went on Fox News to give my assessment of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. In that segment, I pointed out to host Trace Galligher that the reason for the invasion was the prospect of NATO expansion into Ukraine. Even as the invasion was mere hours old, I argued that if the Ukrainian government “would finally just make a deal that they’re not going to go into NATO, that will probably be enough for” Putin to end the war.
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NATO: The Spark for the Russia vs. Ukraine War?
Putin revealed to the West as his forces entered Ukraine on February 24, 2022, that indeed it was NATO expansion that had driven Russia to invade. It had been the building up of pressure of years of “the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border” that spurred him to action, Putin claimed.
Moreover, he continued, “these past days NATO leadership has been blunt in its statements that they need to accelerate and step up efforts to bring the alliance’s infrastructure closer to Russia’s borders. In other words, they have been toughening their position. We cannot stay idle and passively observe these developments.” NATO expansion, Putin concluded, was a threat “to the very existence of our state… It is the red line which we have spoken about on numerous occasions. They have crossed it.”
These stepped up efforts to which Putin referred likely included then-Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg’s declaration two months prior when he said, standing alongside Zelensky in Brussels, that Stoltenberg himself had been “present at the NATO Summit in Bucharest in 2008, when all Allies agreed that Ukraine will become a member of NATO. And we stand by that decision.”
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Our globalists leaders are at fault. They did this to access Ukraine’s mineral wealth, when they had other options to avoid the war.
Yep. I remember it play by play.
Kamala Harris invited Ukraine to join NATO
“Essentially, this is how The War in Ukraine got started:
Just weeks prior to the war in Ukraine, Kamala Harris was insistently inviting Ukraine to join NATO. Despite warnings from Russia that boundaries would be crossed. And, this would inevitably escalate into war. Kamala Harris asks Ukraine to join NATO, during the Biden Administration.
Here’s a brief timeline: January 10th, 2022: Russia states it has no intentions of invading Ukraine. However, they warn that Ukraine must never join NATO. January 20th, Kamala Harris warns of severe costs for any Russian incursion. Suggesting there will be heavy consequences. February 18th: Vice President Kamala Harris meets with NATO Secretary General in Munich conference. Doubling down on their intentions. Then, on February 24th, Russia invades Ukraine.”
https://youtu.be/MazOqraPwck?feature=shared
Access to the Black Sea was a huge issue.
NATO expansion may have been the biggest provocation, but additional provocations included the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, along with Biden saying he would tolerate a “minor incursion“ by Russia into Ukraine. That was a green light.
Another dupe who’s fallen for Pooty’s bogus narrative for dupes.
All of which is very nice and spectacularly irrelevant.
1. Ukraine cannot even have a roadmap for joining NATO until after it has submitted a formal application for membership. It has never applied.
Ukraine applied to join the NATO partnership scheme... But so did Russia, so Putin can’t realistically be butthurt by it.
2. Ex Warsaw Pact countries that applied for NATO membership had to go through years of accession work, jumping through hoops before there was an actual move to incorporate them into the alliance. Even if Ukraine had applied (which it still hasn’t), the country was so far from compliance that full membership would’ve taken over a decade. Hardly an immediate existential threat to Russia, then.
3. Ukraine cannot join NATO if even just one other NATO member vetoes their application. Until recently, Turkey, France, Germany, and Hungary, were all signposting their lack of enthusiasm for Ukraine joining as a full member. Putin knew damned well an application from Ukraine would never have been ratified.
4. NATO does not admit nations with unsettled border disputes or territorial conflicts, and will not grant membership to a country already in a state of war with a non NATO member. The occupation of the Donbas made Ukrainian accession impossible, and Putin knew it.
5. In March 2022 Zelenskyyi openly confirmed this reality, on video, for the benefit of the ongoing peace talks. He said:
“We have heard for many years about the [NATO] open doors, but we also heard that we can’t enter those doors. This is the truth, and we have simply to accept it as it is.”
By”we”, he meant Ukraine AND Russia. Putin’s goals had already been met.
Boris Johnson confirmed it. “The reality of the position [is,] there is no way Ukraine is going to join NATO any time soon”.
Since we also had President Trump, on top of four other NATO national leaders, plus Ukraine’s president, all telling Putin he literally invaded Ukraine over something that the Kremlin already knew was never going to happen, why is Putin’s fixation on it Ukraine’s fault?
Inviting Ukraine to apply was a dumbass move by Biden and Nuland, but Ukraine wasn’t even interested in applying.
That’s what baffles me.
Imagine a butthurt divorcee (Putin from Russia) seeing a slimeball (Democrat from the USA) proposition his ex wife (leader of Ukraine), he watches her politely rebuff the slimeball and walks away... And the ex walks up to her, slaps his ex wife for leaving him, then slaps her again for being “unfaithful” enough to even talk to the slimeball.
That’s what this looks like. The narrative that Russia was the victim here is just ridiculous.
In other news...
The Chinese are conducting live fire exercises between Australia and New Zealand...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbumPXiNQBU
so there it is ... how Ukraine started the war ... Ukraine had a fantasy
Have you ever wondered if Taiwan, the Free Chinese, Chaing Kai Sheks people , do they have Nuclear capability. They are smart, innovative, they work hard, and aren’t a backward country. Have you ever wondered. I do.
Who was the leaders of the West three years ago? We had Biden. In the UK, it was BoJo.
What did Macron really say when he flew to Moscow to meet with Putin? That may had been the best opportunity to defuse tensions before the war started.
Dummy, do not deflect from the problems that Kamala and Biden caused and exacerbated with their cheerleading Ukraine joining NATO, which you attempted to via your laundry list of waste-of-time-reading items, as if that made their agitating Russia okay. They have been a neoliberal plague upon Anerica, they and the neocons as well.
You are either a neoliberal, a neocon, Kamala/Biden trash supporter, or are okay with the US guarding Ukraine’s borders when any or all of those positions are rejected by MAGA.
Trump ran against all of the aforementioned so at the very least for you to prove to people here you are pro-MAGA you would have to say Kamala, Joe Biden, and Nikki Haley’s views on Ukraine are incorrect, (as Trump ran on saying Ukraine would not join NATO, he was not going to fund Ukraine anymore, and he would get a peace Treaty even if it meant allowing Russia to keep some of the land).
Done talking to you. Buzz off.
Agreed. Plus the Dims blocking some drilling for oil meant that Russia knew that war meant much higher oil prices, which meant that Russia would recoup some of their war costs.
People often think “what did I do?” to cause the insane or evil person to act the way they did. For example, something a U.S. ambassador said supposedly gave Saddam Hussein a green light to invade Kuwait.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-11-22-vw-1944-story.html
No. This kind of thinking denies agency to the insane or evil person. While you should be careful when you are dealing with insane or evil people, they are responsible for their decisions.
So, without blaming German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, he argued against (immediate) NATO membership for Ukraine. He said NATO membership for Ukraine would provoke Russia. He (Scholz) won. We didn’t extend NATO membership to Ukraine. But, things did not turn out the way Scholz said they would. It turned out that promising NATO membership in the future to Ukraine, but not now, was taken by Russia as a window of opportunity to invade Ukraine in 2022.
Scholz was simply acting like a typical left-of-center, soft-headed, wishful-thinking person. The proper strategy is “peace through strength.” It is to spend a lot on national defense and clearly mark the border. It is to not interfere in the internal affairs of other countries while making it clear that the authoritarian rulers of the world are to stay on their side of the border. They can push people off tall buildings, accumulate one after another palace, have a haram of young girls, etc., etc., as long as they stay on their side of the border.
Authoritarians cannot be appeased. They interpret appeasement as weakness. And attempts to appease will not buy “peace in our time,” to quote Neville Chamberlain after the Munich conference of 1938. Attempts to appease will result in war as, whether you are willing to say where the border is, the authoritarians will keep pushing until they cross the actual but unexpressed border.
This is Putin’s excuse, he needs one after all, but is not the truth. There was no real threat of NATO expansion into Ukraine and Putin knew it. But this does not stop the Putin apologists from repeating this claim.
Don’t make excuses for Bush Jr, Joe, Kamala, etc, talking up Ukraine one day joining NATO.
They should have said no, Ukraine cannot join.
They greased the skids in providing an excuse for Putin, if anything.
But Bush, Joe, and Kamala supporters no doubt will say otherwise, when the correct position is being neither pro-Putin or pro-Zelensky as media from the left amd right have both said that both of them are corrupt, in some ways the same and in some ways differently.
But in the end, MAGA has said no to guarding Ukraine’s ķborders, and Trump ran on that.
The big Biden blunder was signing off on fully implementing Nordstream II. This was blocked by both Obama and Trump.
That was the strongest possible signal to Putin that there would be no consequences.
Another fantasy re-write of history.
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