Posted on 12/29/2024 8:31:28 AM PST by Starman417
The issue mainly concerns male innovators, entrepreneurs, engineers, and other professionals.
What’s not being discussed is the 30+ year assault on the “Angry White Males” who normally desire to have a family with a loving wife & mother along with meritocratic rewards for their hard work & skills. Their foreign counterparts have not been psychologically & materially constrained in this regard.
Some bullet points
- Our govt was built on the Golden Rule, which is rare in the world. In exchange for being subject to morality we are in turn protected by society. This allows a high-trust, high-freedom society
- cronyism and corruption allows entities to buy politicians and then force laws and regulations that OPPOSE the Golden Rule, rewarding the guilty and punishing the innocent. As a result, Americans pay all the costs but get none of the protections and benefits that invaders get.
- DEI and other woke crap solidifies all of that. This pisses Americans off. Invaders who never intend to assimilate into the Golden Rule world boast about making suckers out of us. This further pisses us off.
- Genuine growth and exceptionalism is only possible in a Golden Rule (moral) society. Truly exceptional people should be here, for the good they can do all mankind. The system should allow this.
- People just trying to milk the system, and companies milking the system because they’ve bought enough politicians to do so, cost the country far, far more than they will ever be able to contribute. The system needs to be fixed so we go back to the Golden Rule without the cronyism and corruption, and the people who just want to suck us dry will not have freebies to lure them here. This will solve both the illegal immigration issue and the H-1B issue.
- In a global world where we are free to buy cheap goods from other countries, Americans will lose jobs even if there are extreme protective measures for American workers, because the free market will bankrupt their companies. So we can’t just be protectionist and expect everything will be great. There’s a bigger picture at work. But what angers people most is not as much the job security issue but the way America rewards the guilty and punishes the innocent.
That’s mostly what I remember. It’s a well-stated piece, worth the time to read it. I think he captures the core issue.
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i dont read weasel , sorry.
what i havent seen yet, is a straight forward
” i apologize “
im glad he can admit he is able to learn the truth of visa's
now lets see if he can learn to apologize
none of the lefts
” im sorry you walmart smelling , ignorant racists got mad at me”......... non apology bs.
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I think Musk was responding to people saying H-1B should be ENDED. He rightly noted that truly exceptional people are necessary to do truly exceptional things. The satellite system that Musk created was SO, SO helpful to people trying to recover from Hurricanes Helene and Milton. That innovation can truly serve mankind, and it is worth it for our country to make provisions that allow truly exceptional people to come here where there is a chance to thrive and create truly helpful things for the whole world.
Musk has clarified that he knows the H-1B system has also been corrupted and has said that adding costs for employers using H-1B could keep the system from being basically a slave market that makes American workers too expensive in comparison.
The article for this thread is a totally different conversation, but it does talk about how we need to be careful not to misunderstand and misstate what others are saying.
Most people don’t want to totally do away with H-1B because they do recognize that America and the world both need for truly exceptional people to have access to do amazing things for the world and the US. There’s really not a whole lot of argument there.
Must was responding to the idea that there should be NO H-1B’s.
I don’t think he would apologize to those who say there shoujld be no H-1B’x. But if you aren’t one of the people saying that, then he was never talking to you and owes you no apology.
So are you saying there should be NO H-1B’s?
In all of this, the left loves it if we are slow to listen, fast to anger, and fast to speak, and that seems to be what some MAGA people have fallen for. We don’t need to fear the discussion of hashing things out. What we need to fear is burning bridges and tearing apart alliances that we need, in order for Trump to do the things we elected him to do.
Yes I am saying that.
Maybe Elon can move Space-X to North Korea. There he would have a leader that loves rockets and an endless supply of cheap labor!!!
PS: Elon can shove his fake apology and instead go fornicate himself.
If there was somebody in Zimbabwe who has the skill to cure the world of all cancer, you would let that person rot away in Zimbabwe rather than give him/her access to America where the infrastructure and culture exists to allow him to genuinely serve the world?
owes you no apology.
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he owes ALL AMERICA an apology.
parse youreself , i dont care how you think elon did whatever
he made none of your assertions he said
.FK U IN YOUR FACE ....RACISTS “
he then wants to “ clarify “ ?
how about a simple apology ?
why is that so much to ask ?
tell me , why ?
The issue is H-1B. H-1B is abused to the point where yes, I will forgo the geniuous cancer guy over it. I want a job and future not poverty at worse or scrapping by at best for some drug research I may never need.
“ MAGA and cares about having a traditional nation state”
And individual liberty, self determination. And a middle finger to big government .
Yes, they always tell us about how we won’t get some cancer drug or whatever.
But if the price of that is millions of pagan Hindus, government surveillance that the STASI could only dream of, America awash in porn, 1500 microchips in an F-150, and the loss of free speech.... I can take the older way.
Radio knobs on the radio in my truck do not bother me,
It’s hard to get the full context of the comments made, but before he made the F Yourself movie quote comment he was talking about people within MAGA who were railing against people from India. Scott Adams had said that MAGA was working hard to lose all future elections, and Musk said that those who are racist need to be removed from the party. He later stated even further that excluding people who are very capable just because they’re Indian is just as bad as DEI; it’s a person’s MERIT that should decide whether they are hired. And he’s argued that having the best and brightest is crucial for America to be exceptional.
And he said he would fight that war as hard as necessary. It is clear that he is not fighting for the right of companies to stiff American workers, but for the right of companies to recruit exceptional people from anywhere in the world and not just the United States.
You sound like you’re drunk, to be honest. If you are not the racist that he made the comment to, then why do you expect an apology from him? And why should he apologize to racists anyway?
He could apologize for not being clear that he only meant racists and not anybody arguing about H-1B on the basis of other factors. But I suspect that wouldn’t satisfy you either. You’d say “he then wants to ‘clarify’?”
It seems like you just want to be angry.
As for me, if somebody from Zimbabwe can cure the world of cancer, I would never DREAM of withholding that gift from the world, by refusing to let them into a position where they could do it. If somebody here was already able to do it, I wouldn’t dream of refusing them that position either. The country they are from makes no difference to me - just making sure that tremendous talent doesn’t go to waste. Human life is worth so much more than this bickering.
Wow. Human life is that cheap to you.
I have no words.
This article actually addresses that - says that what people are objecting to more is not necessarily H-1B but the whole degradation of the “Golden Rule” culture, where the moral/innocent are now bound by laws and taxes but get no protection from it, but the immoral/lawless/guilty get all the benefits and protections without any of the costs.
He says the solution to this issue is to fix the corruption so we can get back to a meritocracy, which is also what Elon is saying.
In a meritocracy you can let truly exceptional do exceptional things for the good of us all, without losing the “Golden Rule” culture that alone makes exceptional things possible.
It’s a long read, but it’s worth the time, IMHO.
If they think American culture is bad, try Asian culture. No thanks.
“Vivek missed this one big time when he discusses culture. While innovation can transform a culture, it has to be useful to that culture.”
A sage observation. Silicon Valley has given us a few good things. But even a casual look at the last 15 years has shown that the vast majority has been very bad for America.
Massive isolation from social media, poorer health outcomes, mRNA nostrums, a tidal wave of the most vile porn imaginable, easily accessible to every kid with a phone, the loss of living in the moment and everyone “in their phone”. Obesity, cameras everywhere, the most invasive domestic mass spying regimen in human history, stolen elections, hyper centralization of every detail of life, micromanaging everything, the rigging of investing, biometrics and facial recognition, unreliable and expensive cars, refrigerators, etc etc. A complete loss of privacy.
A new F-150 has about 1500 microchips in it.
At some point, we need fewer H1Bs because we need far fewer of their products.
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Great post.
We need to get culture back in the picture. How do we do this?
Nobody in your country or family has cancer? Nobody in your country or family needed what Musk created because of a hurricane after our govt left them high and dry?
And Elon has acknowledged that the H-1B visa program is corrupted. He says we should require the companies to pay a high price to use it so that the quality of the person they choose has to be worth the price. He doesn’t want your country or family replaced by people no better than them either.
You sound like you’re drunk, to be honest.
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you sound like elon, to be honest
i dissagree so im
drunk/ wallmartsmelly/ racist
you cant anwser why he doesnt simply apoligize ?
First Problem — Thes guys all believe Government can fix it. Is a wrong premise. Government needs to get out of the way reduce regs taxes and let the people make what they can.
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