Ukrainian President Zelensky Openly Campaigns for Dems in Battleground State, Harris Surrogate PA Governor Josh Shapiro Joins Him to Sign Bombs

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/ ^ | 9/23/2024 | Margaret Flavin

[PIF]

Trump plays 4d chess. Vance plays in 1d Tidily Winks

Fixed

[rxh4n1]

It’s right in the middle of our election. It’s a nasty dirty trick you’re trying to pull here by parsing words.

[Williams]

The mistake here is by Zelensky. It doesn’t matter that he said inappropriate things in the past, that’s no excuse.
For him to come to America and repeat it in the middle of our election season in a battle ground state is unforgivable.

And it’s not even good for his country because he’s risking angering the future president of the United States.

So I’m sorry but there is also the little matter of him canceling Ukraine’s elections. His government will be viewed as illegitimate and I’m sure that he will have to step down if Trump is elected.

[lodi90]

It’s your fault. You made me do it. Said every Kremlin Bolshevik and wife beater ever.

[lodi90]

Vance is campaigning for votes among the dimmest bulbs of the electorate. These are simple folks who will never understand President Trump’s nuanced statements on issues. That is why Vance is more direct in his statements. He’s has to be because he is addressing, frankly, the stupid and uninformed fringe voters that President Trump needs to win.

[BroJoeK]

Williams: "The mistake here is by Zelensky.
It doesn’t matter that he said inappropriate things in the past, that’s no excuse.
For him to come to America and repeat it in the middle of our election season in a battle ground state is unforgivable."

But there is nothing "inappropriate", much less "unforgivable" in Ukraine's president repeating his commitment not to surrender to Russia's insane demands.
Nor is it even clear that Ukraine's surrender is what Trump demands.

Williams: "And it’s not even good for his country because he’s risking angering the future president of the United States."

Naw... Donald Trump is all about "The Art of the Deal" and so he fully understands that everyone expresses their aspirations before serious negotiations begin.

So Trump won't get "angry", he will try to make the best deal possible.

Williams: "So I’m sorry but there is also the little matter of him canceling Ukraine’s elections."

Aw, c'mon man! When did you start repeating Russian propaganda lies as if they had some basis in fact?
They don't.

The truth is that Ukraine's constitution prevents elections from being held during periods of martial law.
So, it's not a matter of Pres. Zelensky "canceling elections", because they are constitutionally forbidden until after martial law is lifted.

Williams: "His government will be viewed as illegitimate and I’m sure that he will have to step down if Trump is elected."

Do you not understand, that is pure Russian propaganda garbage-talk?
Zelensky was constitutionally elected in 2019 and will serve constitutionally at least until martial law expires and new elections can be held.

Since Russia's full-scale invasion in February 2022, Ukraine's parliament has renewed martial law every 90 days by votes that are virtually unanimous.
Ukraine's current 90-day martial law will expire in November, after the US elections, and will likely be automatically renewed, regardless of the US election winner.

By the way, there is no legitimate comparison between Ukraine's certified free and fair elections in 2019, which made Volodymyr Zelensky Ukraine's president, and the sham "election" held in Russia in which Vladimir Putin confirmed his position as Russia's latest Tsar.

[Williams]

Screw Zelensky.

I support Ukraine.

Trump is my president, this is my country and Zelensky knows he crossed the line.

He criticized both our candidates by name and that was a no no.

Plus they almost got Trump killed. Ukraine is worth a lot, but not that.

[BroJoeK]

Williams: "Screw Zelensky.
I support Ukraine."

One of those is a lie, since they can't both be true.

Williams: "Trump is my president, this is my country and Zelensky knows he crossed the line."

Seriously, why are you babbling nonsense?
What line?
Whose line?
Your line?
Where is this imaginary line you've fantasized?

There is no "line" and for you to claim one is an act of willful insanity, imho.

Williams: "He criticized both our candidates by name and that was a no no."

Zelensky said nothing he hasn't said many times before.
And I'll repeat -- it does not hurt Pres. Trump to be known as the "peace candidate" among Pennsylvania's large historically pacifist-non-interventionist-isolationist-anti-war citizenry.

Williams: "Plus they almost got Trump killed.
Ukraine is worth a lot, but not that."

Clearly, both Crooks and Routh were highly motivated by insane Democrat anti-Trump rhetoric, so blame Democrats, plus our mental health and justice systems.

There is no suggestion that Ukraine's government was involved.

Yes, I do worry about this man, because, for one thing, he cannot stay out of the anti-Trump news.
But even here, I'd blame our own Democrats, not Ukraine:

[Williams]

Don’t play your nonsense with me.
Yes both can be true. Did you sell your soul to Zelensky? I didn’t know he is all there is to Ukraine.

I have encountered the Ukrainians and Ukraine supporters on line. They are irrational Trump haters.

I supported Ukraine and I praised Zelensky. But Zelensky can rot in hell before I will accept him harming Trump, politically or physically.

And yes, there is plenty of resson to believe Ukraine had something to do with the assassination attempt.

[USA-FRANCE]

“Clearly, both Crooks and Routh were highly motivated by insane Democrat anti-Trump rhetoric, so blame Democrats, plus our mental health and justice systems.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I agree.
The fact that Routh was pro-Ukraine while trying to assasinate Trump, why on earth should that have anything to do with Ukraine?

Routh actually voted FOR Trump in 2016! Have we all forgotten that??
Does that mean that every Trump supporter or Trump voter is now a potential Trump-assasin?
Evidently not.

The fact that Routh (he hates Israel by the way, while Ukrainians love Israel) happens to support Ukraine has absolutely nothing to do with the idea that the Ukrainian Government would be financing the killing of American Presidential candidates.

It’s just as crazy as this example:
One of Russia’s for ever changing war excuses thrown at Ukraine is that Russia has to fight the “Ukrainian Nazi Government”... ignoring the fact that Zelensky is Jewish... and that there are ZERO nazi political parties represented at the Ukrainian Parliament...

And what about this one:
Some Democrats have often spewed that we Republicans are nazis! Does that mean we actually are nazis? Because violent Democrat propaganda says so??
Evidently not.

Therefore, gobbling down the idea straight out of thin air that Ukraine, an ally of America, has anything to do with an assassination attempt against Trump is simply utter madness.

In the meantime while we are all discussing so nicely here, America’s absolute worst historical and traditional enemy :
the IRAN-Russia-North Korea Alliance is complotting against America and its allies with near TOTAL IMPUNITY! Those three countries are right now combining their efforts to demean America’s stance in the world and are ravaging with missiles and terrorism America’s close allies : Israel and Ukraine.

WOKE America seems to dislike Israel and Ukraine more an more... It’s become fashion to bash our friends while saying nothing against Xi, Kim Jung UN, Putin, and the Mullahs.

WOKE America loves to bash Netanyahu / Zelenski.

SAD.

[Williams]

Please stop. You sound like CNN or Fox or any station that only can go one way.

The assassin was a Ukraine fanatic who was in Iran and I’ve said many players could be involved, it gets murky at that point.

But plenty of reason to suspect he was motivated by Ukraine.

And I’ve discussed that many Ukraine supporters are wildly anti Trump.

Also Ukraine has a history of going extra -legal e.g. Nordstream.

And Zelensky appears to lack perspective. He wants the big military win.

Possible players in the assassination: Ukraine, CIA, Iran, Russia, Cartels, China and others.

[rxh4n1]

“But there is nothing “inappropriate”, much less “unforgivable” in Ukraine’s president repeating his commitment not to surrender to Russia’s insane demands.”

Like those other Ukrainians, you’re parsing what Zelensky did. He trashed Vance and Trump by name, bordering on insulting them, in our country in the middle of a close run election. Then met with officials from only one party (one of who just happens to be a candidate for office) in a crucial swing state. This blatant election interference by a forigner.

[BroJoeK]

Williams: "Don’t play your nonsense with me."

I see a lot of anti-Ukraine nonsense coming from someone who previously understood the necessity to defeat Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Williams: "Yes both can be true.
Did you sell your soul to Zelensky?
I didn’t know he is all there is to Ukraine."

Well...

1. First of all, if you consider the three central leaders here -- Putin, Biden and Zelensky -- then Zelensky is the most legitimately elected, in 2019.
   Biden's Covid shut-down election in 2020 and Putin's sham in 2024 both stink to high heaven.

2. Second, polls showed Zelensky's approval in Ukraine at circa 90% following Vlad the Invader's February 2022 SMO.
   Today, that number is doubtless less, however, there is yet no serious Ukraine political opposition to Zelenksy, much less to his stance against Russia's invasion.

3. Since its latest founding in 1991, Ukraine held seven constitutionally defined presidential elections, internationally judged free and fair, the most recent in 2019.

4. Since Vlad's 2022 invasion, Ukraine's parliament has almost unanimously imposed martial law, renewed every 90 days, the next renewal will be in November, after the US elections.
   Ukraine's constitution forbids elections during periods of martial law.

5. Zelensky has been hugely successful in selling Ukraine's needs for international support, so no other potential Ukrainian leader will have Zelensky's cachet in international relations.

   Economist Democracy Index,
   Shades of blue = democratic:

   

6. Yes, I understand that most of our online Democrat pro-Ukrainians are insanely anti-Trump, and that does worry me, a lot, but I wouldn't blame 40-some million Ukrainians for the political insanities of our own Democrats.
   Nor would I use our own Democrats' insanities as excuses to toss Ukrainians to Russian wolves, or bear, if you prefer.

7. For one reason, because Ukraine is about much more than just Ukraine -- it's about peace in the "world order" as we've known it since 1945, and the new Axis of Evil Dictators fighting to overturn it, and whether the "American century" is now dead & buried and so the world must yet again descend into chaos?

No, I don't think so.

Williams: "I supported Ukraine and I praised Zelensky.
But Zelensky can rot in hell before I will accept him harming Trump, politically or physically."

Sure, I understand your feelings, and I'd share them if, in a worst-case scenario, it turned out that Zelensky himself had ordered Crooks and Routh to assassinate Trump.
But, as of today there is zero evidence to support such fantasies.

And, I'll repeat, it does not hurt Trump in the least here in razor-close Pennsylvania for Trump to be seen as the "peace candidate", called out as such by none other than Ukraine's president.
So Zelenksy's words do not hurt Trump here, they help him!

Williams: "And yes, there is plenty of resson to believe Ukraine had something to do with the assassination attempt."

Like you, I suspect the absolute worst, but so far there's no evidence and so we have to suspend our suspicions for now.
To me "the worst" is not that some Ukrainians fear Trump, but rather that our own Democrats are feeding their fears for strictly partisan political reasons.
I don't think "the worst" is Ukrainians defending their country against perceived threats.
I do think "the worst" is our own Democrats using Ukraine to assassinate Trump.

World peace is much bigger than just Ukraine:

[BroJoeK]

rxh4n1: "Like those other Ukrainians, you’re parsing what Zelensky did.
He trashed Vance and Trump by name, bordering on insulting them, in our country in the middle of a close run election.
Then met with officials from only one party (one of who just happens to be a candidate for office) in a crucial swing state.
This blatant election interference by a forigner."

The original news reports said Zelensky planned to meet with both Trump and Harris separately, so if that doesn't happen, it must be because Trump called it off.

I'll say it again -- Zelensky calling Trump, in effect, a "peace candidate" does not necessarily hurt Trump among pacifist Christians here in razor-thin polling Pennsylvania.

[rxh4n1]

“I’ll say it again — Zelensky calling Trump, in effect, a “peace candidate” does not necessarily hurt Trump”

Oh yeah? I’ll say it again. You can parse it, but in effect, Zelensky said Trump was stupid. That’s what that “complex” remark was about to me, and it seems Trump took it that way.