Posted on 08/05/2024 11:52:12 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111
Ukrainian tank crews are struggling with their M1A1 Abrams tanks, the M1 Abrams variant Kyiv is now using against Russia. They believe that the Abrams is not suited for modern warfare in the Donbas region. The tanks are reportedly challenging to maintain, spare parts are hard to acquire, and the tank must be kept in the rear for fear it will be destroyed.
M1 Abrams Tank: What’s the Problem in Ukraine?
Ukrainians also believe that condensation from the humid, foggy, and rainy weather obscures instruments onboard. They have complained that the M1 Abrams gun is not effective against buildings and that the tank is susceptible to drone attacks.
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Expensive tanks that don’t have the astronomically expensive and massive logistical tail that allowed the Abrams to gain it’s reputation.
Tell me something is a MIC money-grab without saying it’s a MIC money-grab...
operator error I suspect.
Armor can only be effective in an envelope of help. Maintenance, supply, air cover, intel, data, infantry.
So said pretty much every serious commentator on cable TV, Youtube, social media and elsewhere, on both sides, in 2022 and 2023 before they were introduced into the war.
Guess the Ukes should've requested Sturmgeschutzen...
So ungrateful. Then don’t use them
Here's the problem:
They claim we're sending UKR our old crap, yet our top-of-the-line stuff remained in Afghanistan and is being sold on the black market to our enemies.....thanks, Brandon.
We're not keeping up to replenish our own military materiel (yet the money goes out the door to MIL contractors), so UKR has our old crap, our enemies have our newest stuff, and the active duty US military is under-equipped and understaffed.
We asked our ally, South Korea, to send UKR artillery shells, so SK may be under-equipped, too, to fend off NK.
Add in that the Pentagon is an active crime scene with trillions of US dollars missing or unaccounted for.
We have to stop being stoopid.
So those expensive tanks can’t beat the Russians.
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They are left over surplus of the earliest versions stripped of their DU armor and other parts. Plus, they were not used in the intended manner.
These M1A1 tanks are performing exactly as intended. They weren’t sent to Ukraine for combat against Russian drones, artillery, and armor. They are much better suited to the international arms markets where each one will easily launder millions of dollars for the Ukrainian oligarchs and 10% for the big guy.
Bradleys btw have been proven to be much more useful for the Ukrainians than Abrams tanks. They're cheap and survivable and have enough firepower to mess up the Russians.
Well, tank wars rely on massing of units. Ukraine doesn’t have enough of them to do much.
The US rolling into Eastern Europe with hundreds of them in a coordinated attack would destroy anything they ran into.
They will find F16s operate the same way.
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Yeah, they can. But you cannot give them to Uke idiots who feed them in twos and threes to a battlefield. Tanks are not meant to be used the way these morons use them.
They are meant to be part of a combined arms team, coordinated with artillery, air supremacy and CAS, intel, etc.
The problem is not the M1 tank, nor with the F-16.
If they were part of the 2nd Armored division, or a US Fighter Squadron, it would be very different.
since they were free for Z
i guess he’s getting his moneys worth...LOL
welfare tanks .. who’s surprised?
“M1 Abrams Tank: What’s the Problem in Ukraine?”
Go hand an average housewife a Browning Hi-Power, and she doesn’t suddenly perform like SAS. Same with Ukes and good gear.
“the Abrams is not suited for modern warfare in the Donbas region.”
That is literally what it was -designed- for. War in Europe.
Well, well, based on the article posted that is quite a stupid statement. Why? I'll give it a go ...
The tanks are reportedly challenging to maintain
Complex machinery typically is. When those using it are not well trained it becomes much worse.
spare parts are hard to acquire
Ya think? There is a war underway and the limited parts they do have are likely difficult to get from A to B.
the tank must be kept in the rear for fear it will be destroyed.
Take a good look at this sentence. Are you actually suggesting there is a problem with the tanks because the Ukrainians fear loosing them? If they are ineffective and shitty why would they?
Ukrainians also believe that condensation from the humid, foggy, and rainy weather obscures instruments onboard.
What they believe is irrelevant; What is happening is. And considering their use is suspect more information is needed.
They have complained that the M1 Abrams gun is not effective against buildings
Yet another telling comment. The gun is a tube. Buildings are easy to hit; they don’t move. If you can’t damage one sufficiently you may not be using the proper round in the gun (or you don’t have it – remember those pesky supply lines?).
the tank is susceptible to drone attacks.
This is just stupid … essentially ALL tanks are susceptible to drone attacks. They are built with a lot less armor on top. I’m surprised whoever wrote this tripe didn’t complain that Ukraine has difficulty shooting down aircraft with them. This is nothing but a simplistic and poorly done hit piece, likely from some libtard asswipe who doesn't like the military or the US.
Qwapisking posted: operator error I suspect.
I think he is right.
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