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To: kiryandil; EnderWiggin1970
You still haven't taken Avdiivka and the troops were evacuated from the Zenith pocket. Meanwhile the Ukrainians are killing you at an 8-10:1 advantage.

Like Bakhmut, you may take Avdiivka but be left with no operational capability afterwards, only this time the AFU will have suffered comparatively very low losses and withdraw to a shorter front.

Tens of thousands of dead for a few kilometers. As I said, you'll reach Kyiv or the left bank of the northern Dnipro sometime around the year 2200.

59 posted on 02/16/2024 7:14:54 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: pierrem15
You still haven't taken Avdiivka

????

64 posted on 02/16/2024 10:20:31 AM PST by kiryandil (Free Zaluzhny!)
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To: pierrem15; deks; tlozo; MinorityRepublican; BenLurkin; Srednik; PIF; Monterrosa-24; lodi90; ...

Here is a recent report I saw about the Avdiivka situation. The Video runs about 6 minutes. I have not analyzed it yet but wanted to get it out before everyone is asleep, which I will be soon.

16 Feb: Ukrainian Forces BREAK THROUGH THE ENCIRCLEMENT. | War in Ukraine Explained
Reporting from Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fkS4k8bKe4

I am Ukrainian. My country has been invaded by Russia. In this video, I will tell you what happened on the seven-hundred-twenty-third day of the war. Day 723: Feb 16

Today, there are a lot of updates from the Avdiivka direction.

After Ukrainian reinforcements arrived in Avdiivka, many military analysts anticipated a rapid counterattack. The first scenario was a massive flank attack that was meant to slice off the Russian vanguard, the second scenario was to force Russians to overstretch their forces along the contact line, and the last one was the unblocking operation combined with a withdrawal.

The Ukrainian High Command evaluated the situation and refused to conduct large-scale counteroffensive operations for four main reasons. The first reason was the conservation of manpower, as a deep penetration would require risking the lives of thousands of soldiers. The second reason was the lack of artillery shells – Ukrainians did not even have enough shells to hold the defense, so conducting a large-scale flank offensive would cost a lot of lives. The third reason was the fact that Russians have reinforced the Avdiivka Group. If you still remember, at the start of the offensive operation four months ago in October, Russians allocated forty thousand troops. According to the Tavriisk Group of Forces Spokesman, Russian forces relocated tens of thousands of troops from other directions to sustain the offensive operation, and right now, Russian forces have about fifty thousand troops here. The last reason is the weather conditions. Attacking from the north or even along the entire contact line would mean fighting in the fields, which have become increasingly hard to cross. That is why the Ukrainian High Command decided to conduct an unblocking operation combined with a withdrawal. The decision was not received positively by the Ukrainian soldiers who were hoping to save Avdiivka, as many of them had fought here since day one, however, it was still the right decision.

The first step of the operation involved a massive counterattack in the central part of Avdiivka. As I alluded to in my previous report, the newly arrived Ukrainian fighters from the third assault brigade attacked Russian forces south of the railways with Max-Pro armored vehicles with machine guns and temporarily pushed Russians back by around one hundred fifty meters. By taking upon themselves the Russian vanguard, Ukrainians alleviated the pressure on many critical zones and started the process of withdrawal.

The first group of Ukrainian forces that received the order to withdraw was the one that held defense at the water filtration station. As you can see, they were very far from the main Ukrainian positions and were facing attacks from three sides. Before the Ukrainian High Command decided to withdraw, it was beneficial for Ukrainians to hold such positions because they stretched the front line and made it harder for Russians to advance. The second group of Ukrainians to withdraw was the one holding an extensive trench network in the vineyards. The last two groups to withdraw were holding virtually an all-round defense on the former air defense base and fortifications under the bridge. The situation here was extremely dire, the order to withdraw was given too late, so Ukrainians incurred losses during withdrawal and had to leave six wounded soldiers on the base. Ukrainian Tavriisk Group of Forces Commander admitted that several Ukrainians were taken captive.

According to some Russian sources, there are two thousand Ukrainians in the southern part, while according to others, there are up to three thousand troops. Russian analysts also claimed that up to thirty percent of Ukrainian forces have already been evacuated. Russian sources claimed that, in total, there are no more than eight thousand Ukrainians in the Avdiivka direction. Given that there are fifty thousand Russians in the same area, Russians outnumber Ukrainians six to one.

After the Ukrainian reinforcements conducted a successful counterattack, the Russians intensified their assaults even more. A Ukrainian fighter from the twenty-fourth battalion reported that Russians now use assault groups consisting of up to fifty soldiers, which they have not seen even during the peak heat of the Battle for Bakhmut. This, combined with the devastating Russian artillery and airstrikes, allowed Russians to regain control over the highway and even move beyond it into the fields. The main goals of the Russian forces are to move towards the village of Lastochkine and...


68 posted on 02/16/2024 11:41:13 PM PST by gleeaikin ( Question authority.)
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