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Why has fertility plummeted across East Asia?
The Great Gender Divergence ^

Posted on 01/19/2024 12:26:29 PM PST by FarCenter

Let me suggest 5 major drivers:

1. Meritocratic civil service exams encouraged heavy investment in education. China institutionalised this first, but the system then spread across East Asia. Education became seen as the pathway for social mobility.

2. Education fever has spawned an arms race of intensive parenting.

3. Within China, fertility fell earliest in the more individualist northeast, where there is less onus on lineage.

4. Economic development has spawned cultural liberalisation, weakening pressure to bear multiple sons.

5. Given heavy expectations of parenting and cultural liberalisation, one child is increasingly seen as enough.

To understand all these interactions, we need to trace cultural evolution over the past 1500 years. Buckle up.

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1 posted on 01/19/2024 12:26:29 PM PST by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

Socialism, basically. Make children expensive and people stop having children.


2 posted on 01/19/2024 12:29:14 PM PST by Jonty30 (In a nuclear holocaust, there is always a point in time where the meat is cooked to perfection. )
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To: FarCenter

After watching western videos, they realize their womenses are high pitched screechy things?


3 posted on 01/19/2024 12:37:34 PM PST by Adder (End fascism...defeat all Democrats.)
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To: Jonty30

Socialisms spreads the costs of having children throughout society.

Capitalism, especially high-tech industrial and post-industrial services capitalism, burdens the parents with the cost of children.


4 posted on 01/19/2024 12:41:27 PM PST by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter
The Pill.

None of the rest of the elective rationales matter by comparison.

5 posted on 01/19/2024 12:43:22 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie

>>The Pill.

Why didn’t it have the same effect in India and Africa?

They are still relatively high fertility areas.


6 posted on 01/19/2024 12:45:20 PM PST by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

Right. I had $200,000 taken from me, over my working life, to pay for the healthcare of liberals. That money, had it been invested instead, could have been worth about $700,000 and I would have earned about $30,000/year from that. Instead, I have nothing.

Do you want to tell me how I financially benefitted from paying for the healthcare of liberals? How much my costs have been alleviated because I paid for the healthcare of liberals.

What other lies are you going to tell me in this conversation?

Socialism does not make children more affordable. It dumps the debt that liberals like you have built up and are hoping to be dead before the bill comes fully due. You sold the children into debt bondage.


7 posted on 01/19/2024 12:45:32 PM PST by Jonty30 (In a nuclear holocaust, there is always a point in time where the meat is cooked to perfection. )
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To: Jonty30

They’re gonna dump several hundred million feral Africans there over the course of the 21st century.


8 posted on 01/19/2024 12:53:38 PM PST by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: FarCenter

Dare you say forced abortions? or is that such an undiluted good that it can’t be mentioned in this context?


9 posted on 01/19/2024 1:13:04 PM PST by sopo
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To: sopo

Hong Kong, Korea, and Japan have similarly low fertility rates and they did not have forced abortions.


10 posted on 01/19/2024 1:29:43 PM PST by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter
Why didn’t it have the same effect in India and Africa?

They are still relatively high fertility areas.

First, you didn't indicate whether you mean Arab or Sub-Saharan Africa. Arabs are dedicated to having lots of kids, primarily for military reasons. Sub-Saharan Africa is still so poor that they have a lot of kids to assure some survive.

As to India, my guess (as in I don't know) is that in addition to the survivability reasons above, I doubt the pill is a widely available commodity among lower castes.

11 posted on 01/19/2024 1:30:27 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: FarCenter
China institutionalised this first, but the system then spread across East Asia.

Nope. Japan did it first. China was still a shi'ite hole before Japan rose to earlier economic might.

12 posted on 01/19/2024 1:48:29 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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To: FarCenter

Some sort of shot might have something to do with it!


13 posted on 01/19/2024 1:54:29 PM PST by US_MilitaryRules (#PureBloodlaw enforcement. )
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To: FarCenter

but wouldn’t it get at least a sixth place mention?


14 posted on 01/19/2024 2:09:52 PM PST by sopo
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To: FarCenter
Based on the latest data, the Jewish fertility rate of 3.13 births per woman is higher than the 2.85 Arab rate (since 2016) and the 3.01 Arab-Muslim fertility rate (since 2020).

Israel is the lone exception of a developed nation with a high birth rate.

15 posted on 01/19/2024 2:17:57 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: FarCenter

“Hong Kong, Korea, and Japan have similarly low fertility rates and they did not have forced abortions.”

Also, Hong Kong, (South) Korea, and Japan have experienced rapid growth in per capita incomes. When incomes rise, especially among young-adult women, fertility generally drops.


16 posted on 01/19/2024 2:20:17 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: Jonty30

That and soy products.


17 posted on 01/19/2024 2:23:18 PM PST by HYPOCRACY (This is the dystopian future we've been waiting for!)
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To: FarCenter; Bikkuri; kiryandil; Jonty30; Jim Robinson

Socialisms spreads the costs of having children throughout society.

Capitalism, especially high-tech industrial and post-industrial services capitalism, burdens the parents with the cost of children.


Are you sure you are on the right forum?

🤔


18 posted on 01/19/2024 2:26:20 PM PST by Jane Long (What we were told was a conspiracy theory in ‘20 is now fact. Land of the sheep, home of the knaves)
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To: Jane Long

Aww, let him stay. I like to dine on liberals.


19 posted on 01/19/2024 2:43:38 PM PST by Jonty30 (In a nuclear holocaust, there is always a point in time where the meat is cooked to perfection. )
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To: FarCenter

Too much soy for the boys?


20 posted on 01/19/2024 2:47:24 PM PST by rfp1234 (E Porcibus Unum )
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