Posted on 12/07/2023 10:16:59 AM PST by Enlightened1
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Read a book a few years back outlining a lot of this info. Don’t recall the name of it.
There is little doubt that FDR wanted to get us into WW2. He saw that as a necessity, and he was right.
But here’s the thing. FDR had a special fondness for the Navy. He had once been Assistant Secretary of the Navy. He carried out that job with vigor.
So I could see him maybe hanging the Philippines out as bait. But the fleet at Pearl Harbor? Nope, not buying it.
In re: “While no one can excuse Japan’s belligerence in those days, it is also true that our government provoked that country in various ways — freezing her assets in America; closing the Panama Canal to her shipping; progressively halting vital exports to Japan until we finally joined Britain in an all-out embargo; sending a hostile note to the Japanese ambassador implying military threats if Tokyo did not alter its Pacific policies; and on November 26th — just 11 days before the Japanese attack — delivering an ultimatum that demanded, as prerequisites to resumed trade, that Japan withdraw all troops from China and Indochina, and in effect abrogate her Tripartite Treaty with Germany and Italy.”
It is interesting how the author describes the U.S. actions as actuions that “provoked” Japan, while ignoring the totally reasonable argument that Imperial Japan’s actions in Asia provoked the western nations retaliatory actions.
My grandfather was a reporter in the whitehouse at the time. Said FDR, upon hearing the news, stood up and danced a jig (as best he could). He used a wheel chair but could get around without one when he had to. It was understood that the code had been broken and the Japanese diplomats were forced to wait until after the attack had taken place to ensure the outrage of the American public would be aroused after the ‘surprise’ attack took place.
To say something was to lose your liberty for decades.
If true, American lives were sacrificed to get FDR into the war he so desperately wanted to join.
I suspect our attention is being diverted intentionally , a whole new conspiracy theory.
Imagine that. A progressive Democrat POTUS had his own agenda, lied, obfuscated, dawdled and threw away thousands of American servicemen’s lives to suit his own ambitions.
Things are the same as it ever was, no?
Perhaps it was Stinnett’s bestselling “Day of Deceit.”
He had a Sixth grade education - when that still meant something. My Mother showed me letters he wrote in 1940 stating these things. Alas, the letters have been lost to the moving process.
Japan began planning for its Pearl Harbor attack in January 1941.
FDR already knew what was ahead, if he needed America to be wounded in order to enter the war in the Pacific.
You’re exactly right — FDR was keen to drag the US into the war, and he used a blockade of Japan to create the necessary provocation. I’ve read that FDR wasn’t at all surprised by Japan’s attack, but he was surprised that they attacked Pearl Harbor. Reportedly when aides rushed in to tell him about the attack, he replied “Pearl?! They attacked Pearl?!”
> It is interesting how the author describes the U.S. actions as actions that “provoked” Japan, while ignoring the totally reasonable argument that Imperial Japan’s actions in Asia provoked the western nations retaliatory actions. <
Excellent point. The horrific Japanese “Rape of Nanking” occurred in 1937. The United States did not impose sanctions until 1941.
The Japanese started the ball rolling.
Neither do I.
do chess players give away their queen at the beginning of the game?
Giving up the fleet at Pearl would have been potential suicide had the Japanese headed northeast,
Old news. The Dhimmicrats deny it categorically. But I believe it.
My father who fought the island hopping campaign across the pacific also believed it.
The reason the aircraft carriers were not at Pearl is because they were the most important component of 1940s modern warfare. They were made to leave just in time.
A few years before he died, my father told me the following story. Since he had extra tickets to a Redskins game to be played on December 7, the day before he offered them to a naval officer he worked with. His friend turned the offer down, telling my father that he was going to be busy with an attack on that day. My father shrugged it off, not knowing exactly what his friend meant. Later, while at the game, as the time the attack was happening in Hawaii, my father saw military personnel streaming down the aisles at the stadium to fetch away important people.
FDR was not so keen on getting into WW2 until the precious socialist utopia USSR was attacked, then he was all in. Same for the leftists in Britain. Germany and USSR had sighed a non-aggression pact. So the Brit leftists were not all that supportive until June 22, 1941, when Hitler violated the pact and the National Socialists invaded the Communist socialists. Then they were all united. “Papa Joe” Stalin was their favorite socialist, the great Soviet utopia had to be saved.
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