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College Rankings Can Still Get Better
James G. Martin Center for Academic Renewal ^ | November 8, 2023 | Chris Corrigan

Posted on 11/09/2023 3:48:34 AM PST by karpov

U.S. News & World Report released its 2024 “Best Colleges” ranking in September. Marketed as a guide for students in their college-selection process, the list is, in reality, a reputational ranking that rewards rich and selective institutions while saying little about the educational product they offer. As such, not much has changed in this year’s rankings. The new list looks more like the shuffling of a feudal hierarchy than an actual competition between organizations working to be the best.

Because of the cost and time commitments involved in getting a degree from a higher-ed institution, the decision to attend college can be one of the most important of a young person’s life. The many rankings products ostensibly try to help with this decision. In addition to rankings, raw data about institutions are readily available from third-party sources like the College Board and the Department of Education. But none of these provide much help for students trying to figure out the quality of the educational product: how well students learn, how happy they are with their educational experience, and, perhaps most importantly, how well an institution aids its students in finding meaningful and financially rewarding employment after graduation.

Some rankings are starting to take these factors into account and change their methodologies in ways that help students select institutions on the basis of student outcomes. Forbes, for example, releases a yearly list of the top 650 undergraduate institutions based on a “consumer-centric approach,” according to Caroline Howard, director of editorial operations. The methodology for Forbes’s rankings skews towards the students themselves, heavily weighting such factors as alumni salary, student debt, and the student experience on campus.

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TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: college

1 posted on 11/09/2023 3:48:34 AM PST by karpov
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To: karpov

The only job a college should have is to teach. They should not be able to decide if the quality of teaching was good enough. I’m a firm believer in the idea of an extensive testing, after post-secondary or trades, from professional colleges or unions that everybody belongs to should be the ones that decide if what was taught should be good enough.

My position is based on the idea that everybody needs to be held accountable. Businesses need to be held accountable by the customer and educational institutions should be held accountable by the professional colleges and unions and the PC’s and unions should be held accountable by the businesses and workers and customers.


2 posted on 11/09/2023 3:54:58 AM PST by Jonty30 (It turns out that I did not buy my cell phone for all the calls I might be missing at home.)
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I’m a firm believer in the idea of an extensive testing, after post-secondary or trades, from professional colleges or unions that everybody belongs to should be the ones that decide if what was taught should be good enough.

Too bad the SCOTUS doesn't agree with you.

Griggs vs Duke Power Co.

3 posted on 11/09/2023 3:57:58 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: central_va

The (likely) liberal of court of the day was wrong. It is not discrimination to have disparate outcomes if everybody goes through the same system. Having said that, I’d be happy to help anybody who isn’t keeping up get caught up so they can lead happy lives.


4 posted on 11/09/2023 4:07:19 AM PST by Jonty30 (It turns out that I did not buy my cell phone for all the calls I might be missing at home.)
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To: Jonty30

Griggs needs to be overturned.


5 posted on 11/09/2023 4:08:44 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: central_va

It does indeed. Preventing people from succeeding, because other people cannot succeed as readily is a violation of the right to seek happiness.


6 posted on 11/09/2023 4:11:27 AM PST by Jonty30 (It turns out that I did not buy my cell phone for all the calls I might be missing at home.)
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To: karpov

ROTFL! Not in this lifetime.


7 posted on 11/09/2023 5:37:17 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ('Build Back Better' is a Bidenskyyyyyyism for 'we gotta get rid of all dem white peoples'.)
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To: karpov

What employers want to know is if you can deal with a high level of stress.

As I recollect, in the movie “The Paper Chase”, the main character was asked to write a paper by Professor Kingsfield and was told by the Professor that somebody else had already completed the task before he could.

The quick turnaround is what law firms would like to have.


8 posted on 11/09/2023 5:49:20 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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“The touchstone is business necessity. If an employment practice which operates to exclude Negroes cannot be shown to be related to job performance, the practice is prohibited.”

“The disparities of aptitude tests were far greater; with the cutoffs set at the median for high-school graduates, 58% of whites passed, compared to 6% of blacks.”


9 posted on 11/09/2023 5:53:33 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: karpov

There is the problem that college can be a large expense of both time and money.

Young people need the ability to prove their work ethic and mental ability while earning money.


10 posted on 11/09/2023 5:55:13 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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Griggs decision was evil.


11 posted on 11/09/2023 6:10:04 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Jonty30
held accountable Please do tell, by whom and for what? Are there confessionals for repeat offenders?
12 posted on 11/09/2023 7:36:44 AM PST by aspasia
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