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To: Noumenon
Your FR born-on date is before the Drudge drop, so I've always considered you to be FR Class of 97.

And a very perceptive FReeper indeed. :)

17 posted on 10/22/2023 12:19:23 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil
Thanks. Just trying to pay attention is all. It's amusing to see the normalcy bias in some of the responses. That's' a guarantee of some poor life choices.

We're in uncharted territory now. We've certainly been warned if anyone bothered to pay attention. From the ancient Greeks to modern times - we've been warned. Consider this from de Tocqueville's "Law" from Democracy in America and its potential for dire consequences to freedom

For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of all happiness: it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances -- what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?

. Thus it every day renders the exercise of the free agency of man less useful and less frequent; it circumscribes the will within a narrower range, and gradually robs a man of all the uses of himself. The principle of equality has prepared men for these things: it has predisposed men to endure them, and oftentimes to look on them as benefits..

After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp, and fashioned them at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd.

The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided: men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting: such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to be nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.......

Our contemporaries are constantly excited by two conflicting passions; they want to be led, and they wish to remain free: as they cannot destroy either one or the other of these contrary propensities, they strive to satisfy them both at once.

They devise a sole, tutelary, and all-powerful form of government, but elected by the people. They combine the principle of centralization and that of popular sovereignty; this gives them a respite; they console themselves for being in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own guardians.

Every man allows himself to be put in leading-strings, because he sees that it is not a person or a class of persons, but the people at large that holds the end of his chain.

By this system the people shake off their state of dependence just long enough to select their master, and then relapse into it again. .

A great many persons at the present day are quite contented with this sort of compromise between administrative despotism and the sovereignty of the people; and they think they have done enough for the protection of individual freedom when they have surrendered it to the power of the nation at large.

This does not satisfy me: the nature of him I am to obey signifies less to me than the fact of extorted obedience.....


29 posted on 10/22/2023 12:34:56 AM PDT by Noumenon (You're not voting your way out of this. KTF)
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