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This is the "democracy" we're supporting in Ukraine
Flopping Aces ^ | 09-21-23 | d

Posted on 09/21/2023 7:31:51 AM PDT by Starman417

We are pouring money hand over fist into Ukraine. Recently the Biden regime announced another $1 billion package destined for Kyiv, binging the total to at least $76 billion from the US alone.  This is all being done in the name of democracy.

But for what kind of democracy are we engaged in

(sound familiar?)

He's ousting defense officials

He nationalized TV news and has restricted opposition parties.

Zelenskyy made a thinly veiled threat against European countries should support wane:

Curtailing aid to Ukraine will only prolong the war, Mr Zelensky argues. And it would create risks for the West in its own backyard. There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned.

Ukrainians have generally "behaved well" and are "very grateful" to those who sheltered them. They will not forget that generosity. But it would not be a "good story" for Europe if it were to "drive these people into a corner".

Zelenskyy said that Putin would come for the rest of the world should he prevail in Ukraine.

In a bizarre rambling statement Zelenskyy claimed that climate change is killing people and the only answer was more money for Ukraine

“Even though humanity is failing on its climate policy objectives, this means that extreme weather will still impact the normal global life & some evil state will also weaponize its outcomes. "And when people in the streets of New York & other cities of the world went out on climate protest, we all have seen them, & when people in Morocco & Libya, & other countries die as a result of natural disasters, & when islands & countries disappear underwater, & when tornadoes & deserts are spreading into — into new territories, & when all of this is happening, one, a natural disaster in Moscow, decided to launch a big war & killed tens of thousands of people. We have to stop it. "We must act, united to defeat the aggressor & focus all our capabilities and energy on addressing these challenges. As nukes are restrained, likewise, the aggressor must be restrained at all his tools and methods of the war. Each word now can become final, but it takes our unity to make sure that aggression will not break in again. And it is not a dialogue between the so-called great power somewhere behind closed doors that can guarantee us all the new wars era but open war of all nations for peace.”
Somehow, more money for Ukraine will stop earthquakes. What islands have disappeared?

And by the way, Zelenskyy is holding an American in a Ukrainian prison

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine; zelensky
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1 posted on 09/21/2023 7:31:51 AM PDT by Starman417
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To: All

The House, where all money bills must originate, is struggling
over a continuing resolution to keep OUR govt funded.

The $24.9 billion for Ukraine is not in any proposed CR......so far.

Yet Biden demands Ukraine be handed
<><> $13.1 billion tax dollars for military assistance;
<><>$8.5 billion for “humanitarian aid” (to finance Mrs Zelensky’s shopping trips to Paris);
<><> plus $2.3 billion to the World Bank for an idiotic scheme to pressure other donors.

No word on how much gets deposited offshore for
the Biden Crime Family and the corrupt Zelensky crew.


2 posted on 09/21/2023 7:35:31 AM PDT by Liz ( 2024 Dems will have the same guy with the same team around him, just older.)
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To: Starman417

It’s a nuanced position, but just as when we supported the Taliban in Afghanistan when they were fighting the Soviets, we are not supporting Ukraine as much as we are opposing Russia.


3 posted on 09/21/2023 7:35:39 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Starman417

i thought we were supporting 10% to the big guy who stopped an investigation into the corruption going on in ukraine by getting someone fired. am I wrong?


4 posted on 09/21/2023 7:37:26 AM PDT by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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To: Starman417

“He’s ousting defense officials

He nationalized TV news and has restricted opposition parties.”

It’s wartime. Stuff happens in wartime that would never be tolerated otherwise. Ping me when he’s executing political opponents and suspending free speech in peacetime like Putin.


5 posted on 09/21/2023 7:38:42 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Starman417; PIF; SpeedyInTexas; marcusmaximus; UMCRevMom@aol.com; Berlin_Freeper
I wonder with all the leftist, RINO Zeepers think about this....
6 posted on 09/21/2023 7:48:13 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (The Forever War is a crime against humanity)
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To: Starman417

During the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, arrested suspected traitors, and held them without trial. That’s what you do when the situation is an emergency. You can let the lawyers back in when the enemy has been vanquished and you are ready to set up a peacetime government.


7 posted on 09/21/2023 7:50:45 AM PDT by proxy_user
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Demented Biden says the Ukranian extortion of working class Americans is being done
“in the name of democracy.” But what kind of “democracy” is Zelensky engaged in?
<><>He oustied 7 defense officials
<><>he closed 74 churches
<><>He nationalized TV news
<><>he restricted opposition parties so that he is the only candidate.
<><>Zelensky made a thinly veiled threat if European countries dare to stop the handouts;
<><>Zelensky says curtailing aid to Ukraine will only prolong the war.
<><> this would create risks for the West in its own backyard.
<><>how would millions of Ukrainian refugees react to their country being abandoned?
<><>Zelensky says stopping the handouts would “drive these people into a corner”
<><>Zelenskyy says “Putin would come for the rest of the world” should he prevail in Ukraine.
<><>Zelensky claims climate change is a killer and the only answer is more money for Ukraine
<><>Zelensky is holding an American in a Ukrainian prison


8 posted on 09/21/2023 7:52:20 AM PDT by Liz ( 2024 Dems will have the same guy with the same team around him, just older.)
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To: proxy_user
"Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, arrested suspected traitors, and held them without trial"

Like Biden and the J6rs, but we aren't in the middle of a war.

Or are we?

9 posted on 09/21/2023 7:56:03 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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To: Starman417

We actually owe Ukraine this money, maybe not in weapons, but in some kind of compensation - because WE were the driving cause of this war.

WE flipped their government with a planned coup, done by the CIA and supported by people like John McCain and Victoria Nuland

WE supported the Azov war in the Donbas and massacre of Russian speakers

WE sent in our corrupt oligarchs like Hunter Biden and Chris Heinz, to enrich American politicians

WE tied the knot with leftist political operatives like Alex Vindman and Dmitri Alperovitch

We are as guilty as the Russians for destroying Ukraine and killing 500K of their people. A price needs to be paid.


10 posted on 09/21/2023 8:00:39 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Liz

“No word on how much gets deposited offshore for
the Biden Crime Family and the corrupt Zelensky crew.”

_________________________________________________________

Don’t forget to include Congress because I guarantee those criminals are getting a piece of the pie, too. Be it book deals, consultation gigs, campaign contributions, positions on a board of directors, or just plain old hard cash deposited into secret Swiss bank accounts.

Every single member of Congress that votes “yea” or “abstains” on money for Ukraine is complicit, corrupt and part of the scam.


11 posted on 09/21/2023 8:02:20 AM PDT by Murder of Crows
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To: wildcard_redneck

Finish the job President Reagan started.

Putin’s Russia is the dead cat bounce of the Soviet Union.


12 posted on 09/21/2023 8:06:11 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: Starman417

Nothing to do with democracy.
This is to protect the Deep State money laundering, biolabs, child trafficking, multiples of 10% skimming.
This is scorched Earth politics, and theft of American taxpayer’s paychecks.


13 posted on 09/21/2023 8:09:06 AM PDT by Fireone (Who killed Obama's chef?)
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To: Boogieman

Ukraine has executed many political opponents.

Before he disappeared for the second time, Gonzalez Lira listed at least ten names.

https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022/03/10/sbu-the-terrible-ukrainian-political-police-assassinations-and-torture/

https://humanevents.com/2023/09/18/breaking-human-events-jack-posobiec-added-to-infamous-ukrainian-kill-list


14 posted on 09/21/2023 8:24:04 AM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: MarMema

Gonzalo


15 posted on 09/21/2023 8:24:38 AM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: marcusmaximus

Ukraine was the equivalent of Kosovo, loaded with human trafficking, esp children, child porn, drugs, corruption, and organ black markets.

Russia is a conservative Christian country.


16 posted on 09/21/2023 8:28:17 AM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: MarMema

As I said, things happen in wartime. Especially to enemy collaborators.

Ping when it happens in peacetime, as it does in Putinland.


17 posted on 09/21/2023 8:28:42 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

The Odessa massacre happened in peacetime.


18 posted on 09/21/2023 8:32:32 AM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: Murder of Crows

No question.


19 posted on 09/21/2023 8:41:54 AM PDT by Liz ( 2024 Dems will have the same guy with the same team around him, just older.)
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To: MarMema

You mean the one committed in the 1940s? Before the country of Ukraine even existed???


20 posted on 09/21/2023 8:44:27 AM PDT by Boogieman
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