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To: Red Badger
Add to that the additional electricity from having to replace your natural gas furnace and water heater with electric heat pump versions, and your gas stove and clothes dryer with electric models.

The norm today new construction single family homes is 200 amp service. With all of these mandates, you will now need a 400 amp main service panel, and the infrastructure in your neighborhood to support all of the homes going from 150-200 amp service to 400-500 amp service.

9 posted on 09/05/2023 5:57:38 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Yo-Yo
Add to that the additional electricity from having to replace your natural gas furnace and water heater with electric heat pump versions, and your gas stove and clothes dryer with electric models.
The norm today new construction single family homes is 200 amp service. With all of these mandates, you will now need a 400 amp main service panel, and the infrastructure in your neighborhood to support all of the homes going from 150-200 amp service to 400-500 amp service.

I agree 100% with the premise of the article that the government shouldn't be pushing everybody to EV's and get rid of natural gas. I hate it for multiple reasons. But I respectfully disagree with your assessment of the micro details on what it means to an individual home. If conservatives like us want to argue against government totalitarianism, we ought to do so with real world data so we don't look bad.

I have a 200 amp service and two years ago I converted my two natural gas appliances to electric (replaced nat gas furnace and A/C with a variable speed heat pump, and replaced nat gas water heater with hybrid water heater). And 15 months ago, since it was time to replace my wife's ICE crossover we replaced it with an EV crossover. I didn't do it to save the world from cow fart warmageddon or anything like that. I did it to make us more self-reliant with energy by also adding lots of solar. (If I could produce my own natural gas or oil and refine it to gasoline I would, but I can't. However solar allows me to provide 82% of all the power we consume. So being all-electric is attractive to me from a self-reliance standpoint.) I also did other more conventional energy saving steps we probably all should do more of like caulk sealing cracks around windows, replacing old gaskets around doors, and adding insulation.

My electrical panel has to provide power to the all-electric home, including charging the EV (roughly 22K miles per year charged at home) regardless of if the power is coming from solar and/or the battery stack and/or the grid. There are nights in the winter that all of my power is coming from the grid. (Most of the 18% of the power I pull from the grid throughout the year is in the winter months.) My two inverters pull power from those 3 sources (solar/batteries/grid) and supply the electrical panel with AC power. The electrical panel functions like it always has without caring if the power is coming from the grid or somewhere else.

Admittedly, this is in Alabama and is a 2,300 sq ft home. Maybe up north an electric furnace in the winter would have to draw way more power than mine does (I'm sure it would run more often than mine does). But, and this is anecdotal, last December we had lows in the single digits and highs in the teens for a couple days in a row. So my home heater was on a lot all day and keeping my home warm while not overloading my electrical panel. (And since it was near the Christmas holidays and not snowing, we were driving and charging the EV a lot too. Yet my electrical panel kept up.)

53 posted on 09/05/2023 8:17:07 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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