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How Bad Is It For Ukraine?
Gateway Pundit ^

Posted on 09/03/2023 7:24:14 AM PDT by MNDude

Let me explain why I have spent so much effort on highlighting the commentary and analysis of retired U.S. Generals and some of their foreign counterparts, like Mick Ryan — they are engaged in a massive propaganda campaign designed to mislead the Western public about the true state of the war in Ukraine. They insist that Ukraine is winning, that Russia is losing and that the only prescription for Ukraine’s continued “success” is to pour more money and weapons into the maelstrom consuming Ukraine. This is not a disagreement over what is the best flavor of ice cream. The citizens of the United States and Europe have a right to be properly informed about their resources that are being recklessly expended in Ukraine and that there is no path for victory for Ukraine because Ukraine lacks the material resources, the trained manpower and the weapons required to match up against Russia. Even if Ukraine was endowed suddenly with three fighter wings (that’s about 180 combat planes), these would not be enough to penetrate and destroy Russia’s echeloned defenses.

Take a hard look at this map. The green shows how far Ukrainian forces have advanced over the last three months of their counter offensive. This minuscule “progress” has cost Ukraine an enormous toll in casualties and equipment, such as tanks and armored personnel carriers. Skeptics in the West want to dismiss this as Russian propaganda. Okay. The please show me the reports from Western war correspondents who are on the ground reporting from Topmak or Melitopol. Those do not exist. How about a video or two of triumphant Ukrainian fighters standing atop the wreckage of the first line of the Surovikin defense? Ukraine and its NATO allies would be giddy with joy if they could show such images.

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1 posted on 09/03/2023 7:24:14 AM PDT by MNDude
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2 posted on 09/03/2023 7:28:01 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: MNDude

The are doing pretty good compared to every other country Russia has invaded. Such as Afghanistan, etc.

So how bad is it for the Russians ?


3 posted on 09/03/2023 7:30:31 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: MNDude
It's amazing how many neocon idiots here don't realize this:

Western pundits need to pay attention to what Putin and his Generals have said about the purpose of this “special military operation” — demilitarize and de-nazify Ukraine. This was not some idle political talking point. While Russia’s lack of big movement of massed forces frustrates many Western arm chair generals, Russia appears quite content to continue the systematic destruction of Ukraine’s ground, air and sea forces. Time favors Russia. But not Ukraine. Each passing day brings Ukraine closer to the precipice of disaster.

4 posted on 09/03/2023 7:31:36 AM PDT by Kazan
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“Time favors Russia”

Correct. The armchair generals always fail to realize that Russians have a different doctrine of how they fight wars....


5 posted on 09/03/2023 7:36:46 AM PDT by Jaysin (Trump can’t be beat, unless the democrats cheat)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Nobody wins a War.

One side may be defeated, but ultimately all sides suffer.

It is time now, for a negotiated peace. The price is currently too high to drag this on forever.


6 posted on 09/03/2023 7:38:17 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: MNDude

Interesting framing of the issue.

“ They insist that Ukraine is winning, that Russia is losing and that the only prescription for Ukraine’s continued “success” is to pour more money and weapons into the maelstrom consuming Ukraine. ”

Ukraine is winning: No. Ukraine has not yet been conquered. It was close in the early days. Russia was forced to pull back somewhat. Continuing to support Ukraine helps them to not be conquered and the massacred. No guarantee of that, but it does make it a lot less likely.

Russia is losing: Depends on your definition of losing. They are not losing in any traditional sense. They are more stuck in a horrific maelstrom that is destroying a lot of military personnel and hardware.

I don’t see stopping support as a viable option.

I would prefer to see that the Ukrainians do not get massacred.


7 posted on 09/03/2023 7:38:17 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: MNDude

I agree, Ukraine is not “winning”. But how on earth can anyone conclude that Russia is “winning” having been unable to achieve their goals in nearly two years of combat operations and international scorn, contempt, and occasional derision.


8 posted on 09/03/2023 7:39:06 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: Kazan
Western pundits need to pay attention to what Putin and his Generals have said about the purpose of this “special military operation” — demilitarize and de-nazify Ukraine.

It's amazing how many supposedly intelligent people fail to realize that, what the Russians say cannot be believed. "Special military operation"? To demilitarize and de-nazify Ukraine? Sounds pretty much like a huge excuse to invade a neighboring country. But, no, just go about your day and believe what Putin has to say. After all, he's such a good guy and has the best interests of Ukraine and Europe in mind. Ukraine was and is not any kind of threat to Russia. The empirical Putin and Kremlin just wanted to reconstitute their Soviet Union. But, that's okay, because, the Soviet Union was such a benevolent empire.

Gee whiz, people! Stop the insanity!
9 posted on 09/03/2023 7:40:31 AM PDT by adorno
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To: Kazan
In this episode of Mordor funnies, the Russians have resorted to covering their tactical bombers with car tires in an effort to protect them from drones.

https://twitter.com/tatarigami_ua/status/1698302027552436366

10 posted on 09/03/2023 7:40:57 AM PDT by Brellium (The environment is of upmost importance, without trees where will we hang Moscovites?)
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To: Texas Fossil

Does Russia want peace? Don’t think so. Until Russia wants peace there can be no negotiated settlement.


11 posted on 09/03/2023 7:41:05 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: adorno

Even your reliable sources like the Washington Post says the same thing he says here:

Ukraine running out of options to retake significant territory

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/20/ukraine-counteroffensive-analysis-war-russia/


12 posted on 09/03/2023 7:47:03 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: adorno

The Russians can’t believed? But, you think the Biden regime and Ukrainians? Who is really the gullible one? You’re unbelievable.


13 posted on 09/03/2023 7:48:20 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Pikachu_Dad

I believe you are wrong.


14 posted on 09/03/2023 7:50:44 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: adorno
EVERYTHING going on in Ukraine is do to our meddling and is has been the result of strategy of the Queen of Neocons Victoria Nuland during her work for the Obama and Biden regimes. That's WHO are YOU are believing.

Other than, maybe, Anthony Fauci, no American is responsible for more deaths in the world than Nuland.

YOU are the one in unity with her and the Biden regime.

Putin is exactly right compared to the Biden regime and Western globalists, he and his people are white, fluffy angels.

15 posted on 09/03/2023 7:53:02 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: MNDude

It’s really bad for Ukraine.
They’re running out of space for all of the captured, surrendering, and defecting Russians.
They’re having a hard time fixing up all the captured Russian vehicles.
They’re getting sore from smiling so hard after all the drone attacks inside Russia.
They’re up against the challenge of restoring services in the recently recaptured cities and towns.
They’re having too much fun terrorizing the Russian navy in Russia ports.

Yup, sucks to be Ukraine.


17 posted on 09/03/2023 7:54:37 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: adorno
--- "Gee whiz, people! Stop the insanity!"

An emotional expression of your position.

Now for the unemotional part. How do you specifically get "people" to "stop the insanity."

This is a conservative forum -- generally -- for mostly anonymous individuals to comment, one to another. So your statement above is essentially without substantive value.

Are you pleased with Biden's support for Ukraine? Are you not pleased with Biden's support for Ukraine?

Other than complaining to others who are as anonymous as are you, what do you propose?

18 posted on 09/03/2023 7:55:27 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Tom Tetroxide

Another great ‘toon by Ben Garrison.


19 posted on 09/03/2023 7:55:33 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

Oh, so Nuland made Putin invade yet another neighboring country?

Did she make him invade Georgia? Did she make him annex Crimea? Is there no end to her evil powers?

L


20 posted on 09/03/2023 7:56:29 AM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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