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To: USA-FRANCE

First of all, UNLIKE YOU, I am an America first...American.

And an Honorably Discharged veteran with a couple of campaign ribbons. And a personally autographed thank you letter from Ronald Reagan. And a SERE badge.

And your just a loud mouthed pussy living in France and acquiring that foreign voice.

Another allusion to cowardice from you and I’ll shame you like you haven’t been before.


62 posted on 08/21/2023 4:49:18 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

First. I know nothing about you, and you know nothing about me.
I don’t boast about anything. I care about the West’s survival against very aggressive neo-sovietism, communism; radical islam and other anti-American imperialistic organizations.

Here is a truth you and I can convene on I hope:

RUSSIA has allied itself with America’s worst enemies: the islamo-fascists of IRAN, the Communist fundamentalists of the CCP of CHINA, the Orwellian nuclear state of North Korea, and the usual suspects : CUBA, VENEZUELA, NICARAGUA.

It’s a GLOBALIZED network of commies, neo-soviets, and islamo-fashists. They are all America-hating entities. They can, and are damaging America’s interests all over the planet as we speak.

You need to denounce those entities woking AGAINST America.
Will you do it ? Just asking....


63 posted on 08/21/2023 5:50:08 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: Mariner
USA-FRANCE, who seems to post much on the topic of the Ukraine-Russia war, asked "You are not a Chamberlain are you?"

Seems like a bit of a cheap shot, for one may look back to some French history....

"The break from the Third Republic came about in part due to the shock and humiliation of being so rapidly bested by the German military, and French leaders were looking everywhere for an explanation for their defeat. That blame fell squarely on the shoulders of Communists, socialists and Jews. Jewish people in particular had been experiencing animosity for decades, since the Dreyfus Affair of the 1890s. All three elements were believed to have taken advantage of the liberalization that occurred during the Third Republic, but France's violent streak of anti-Semitism didn't necessarily make Vichy a fascist regime.

'I think the best term for them is authoritarian,; says historian Robert Paxton, the author of Vichy France: Old Guard and New Order, 1940-1944. 'It doesn't act like a fascist regime because traditionally elites have to give way, and in authoritarianism they retain power. But all the foreign Jews were put into camps, they cracked down on dissent, and it was in some ways increasingly a police state'.”

And "The misconception that the Vichy Regime was the lesser of two evils endured only for the first few decades after the war. Since then, as more archival material has come to light, historians have gradually come to see the collaborators as willing participants in the Holocaust. Before the Nazis ever demanded the Vichy government participate in anti-Semitic policies, the French had enacted policies that removed Jews from civil service and began seizing Jewish property. 'The Vichy French government participated willingly in the deportations and did most of the arresting,' Paxton says. 'The arrests of foreign Jews often involved separating families from their children, sometimes in broad daylight, and it had a very powerful effect on public opinion and began to turn opinion against Pétain'.”

Source: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/vichy-government-france-world-war-ii-willingly-collaborated-nazis-180967160/

"After the defeat of Nazi Germany, a carefully constructed national myth obscured the reality of the Vichy regime. Charles de Gaulle, leader of the Free French forces, propagated that myth, and historians echoed it for many years. School textbooks depicted wartime France as a nation of resisters who had refused to collaborate with the occupier. Influential historical accounts, like Robert Aron's Histoire de Vichy, depicted Pétain as a 'shield' and De Gaulle as a 'sword,' each of whom had been necessary in their different ways for the defense of French interests.

"At the time of the liberation, De Gaulle claimed that 'only a handful of scoundrels' had behaved badly during the occupation: the rest of the country could look themselves in the eye as patriots. This 'sublime half-lie,' as Henry Rousso dubbed it, formed the basis for postwar attempts at national reconciliation, symbolized in 1964 by the transfer of the remains of resistance hero Jean Moulin to the Pantheon in an elaborate two-day ceremony.

And "Collaboration, Paxton argued, was not merely a catastrophe forced upon France by military defeat, but part of an internal French conflict with a much longer history. It was something actively sought by the Vichy leaders, not a demand placed upon France by Germany. Conservative, authoritarian, and counterrevolutionary traditions incubated in France itself underpinned the politics of the regime. Vichy was not a 'lesser evil'.”

Source: https://jacobin.com/2020/07/vichy-france-holocaust-nazi-hitler-world-war-ii

Don't let name-calling in the form of a question get to you. Every nation has had its share of saints and its share of sinners. When the sinners seemed to rule for a time, they appeared to many as saints. History came along, and undid some carefully constructed mythologies.
64 posted on 08/21/2023 6:04:44 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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