[Basket_of_Deplorables]

“but when I heard him say that there was no election fraud in 2020”

That’s NOT what he said, and you know it. Post the whole quote, so nobody falls for your disinformation spin.

So tired of FR’s “rapid response teams” who just lie. Half-truths are full lies, of the worst kind.

These teams have ruined FR. It’s why the funding drives flail now.

I post almost entirely elsewhere now, where I can block idiots. So much nicer.

[rlmorel]

In this case you are right with respect to the veracity of Ramaswamy's quote.

Ramaswamy did not say exactly that there was "no election fraud". That was my interpretation from the thread I originally saw it in (which refers to video linked below) and which had the exact quote in the title.)

My error was in not stating that was my opinion based on what he said, and in not including the exact quote in this specific thread to buttress my interpretation, and that would have been a useful and helpful thing to do.

And for that error I do apologize.

But I in no way apologize for or disown the interpretation, especially in the context of Ramaswamy's "stick-the-finger-in-the-air" method of triangulation.

You may disagree with my interpretation because Ramaswamy may be the preferred candidate of the day for you or others. That's fine. If you want to have civil discourse, let's have it. I suggest you leave the ad hominem attacks out of it.

At the 5:18 mark of the linked video he says: LINK: "I have personally not seen evidence of widespread voter fraud of the kind that you usually get with the stolen election narrative".

So I stand guilty of saying I heard him say that there was "no election fraud in 2020". That itself is a fair criticism.

But I did not need to post the whole quote, so nobody falls for a "disinformation spin". In the thread that featured the quote and the linked video, the exact quote was exactly referred to in the title. And I did listen to it. And read the account of it.

And in my opinion, that is indeed "Clintonesque triangulation" of the worst kind by Candidate Ramaswamy, particularly the weak "the kind you get with the stolen election narrative" statement, not to mention the "I have personally not seen evidence" part of the quote.

A lawyer-esque statement of "I haven't see it" (if he truthfully, "hasn't seen it" it is because he hasn't looked) to distance himself from it, and the execrable "stolen election narrative" to separate himself at least in front of that audience from the 'cranks on the right' he doesn't want to link himself to because that might lose him some of those precious votes of the "undecided" voters. (The same voters who can't decide to vote for Biden it he runs, or whichever Republican runs. Utterly asinine, and that is classic triangulation for that audience, to pander wholly to the intellectually weakest segment of the electorate.)

So, as I said, if you want to have civil discourse, let's have it without the ad hominem attacks. I did not attack you in that way, nor did I attack people who might support a Ramaswamy candidacy, because there is enough of that occurring on all sides.

[rlmorel]

And as I fully stand behind it, my interpretation of that statement on election fraud means he is soft pedaling it to get votes.

He is deliberately-for political purposes-stating that Election Fraud (of course, of the distasteful kind the 'smelly right-wingers' who subscribe to the "stolen election narrative" believe in, didn't happen. (To his field of vision, of course, which can be as wide or as narrow as he as a politician wishes to make it, as a means to serve his political ends)

The fact of the matter is, this deliberate degradation of the electoral process will have more to do with the fall of this country than even our fiscal irresponsibility or the illegal open borders efforts they are using to attempt to switch the demographics.

If we don't fix that now open, arrogant, and unashamed corrupt of the electoral process, we aren't going to get a chance to fix our finances or illegal immigration. The country will fall apart before that.

And Ramaswamy is saying that he didn't see any of that election fraud.

So for his purposes, at least in front of that audience he was trying to get votes from, he was saying (for their consumption) that those allegations are not true and he, as their candidate, didn't see any of it, so if we elect him, nothing is going to be done about it.

You may feel differently, and that election fraud is not the issue of the day. If you do, we will disagree.

But I will not support any candidate who does not make fixing and prosecution of electoral fraud a top agenda item.