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How Colonialism Set the Stage for Maui's Destruction by Fire
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Posted on 08/14/2023 6:37:38 PM PDT by cuz1961

How Colonialism Set the Stage for Maui's Destruction by Fire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy94eVvUl_4&t=97s&pp=ygU8aG93IGNvbG9uaWFsaXNtIHNldCB0aGUgc3RhZ2UgZm9yIG1hdWkncyBkZXN0cnVjdGlvbiBieSBmaXJl

Runtime 21m 19s.

Well,,, that didn't take long.

Climate change and white supremacy , the 2 sides of the new mobocrat coin of the realm.


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KEYWORDS: colonialism; hawaii; maui; mauifire; millionsforukraine; nocommment; pineapples; thebakedtater; whatascumbag
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To: Tell It Right

The Queen was overthrown in 1893, by a faction of planters who wanted Hawaii annexed to the US. This would have happened eventually I think, Spanish war or no.


21 posted on 08/14/2023 7:22:42 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: cuz1961

Knew this was coming.


22 posted on 08/14/2023 7:23:22 PM PDT by moviefan8 (The noblest art is that of making others happy. - P.T. Barnum)
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To: buwaya

It was still wrong.


23 posted on 08/14/2023 7:23:29 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

When I went to elementary school in Hawaii, my teachers’ last names included Patton and Yoskovitch.

Our class was mostly Philippines, Australian, natives, and “haoles”. In my class picture, nearly all of us were barefoot...Only four were blondes. (Class of 1952, just 9 years after VJ Day).


24 posted on 08/14/2023 7:27:11 PM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦...................."Who is Ray Epps?" should be overstamped on every piece of currency.)
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To: Does so

A little before my time. My Dad was stationed there in the 70s.


25 posted on 08/14/2023 7:30:01 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Skywise

“If anything if the plantations were still working this wouldn’t have happened.”

This is what I said. As in all these disasters (I was often involved in failure analysis investigations), it is the result of a cascade of causes, one following another. The development of land use is a major thread in this. If, for instance, land ownership had been broken up in relatively small farms this situation probably wouldnt have developed this way.


26 posted on 08/14/2023 7:32:54 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: dfwgator

“It was still wrong.”

It was wrong. It was a coup d’etat by an upper class clique.

However, the kingdom was moribund. It would have fallen regardless, one way or another. I don’t see how it could have been saved.

The same thing happened to the Boer nations btw, in 1899, for the same reasons.


27 posted on 08/14/2023 7:39:55 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya
However, the kingdom was moribund. It would have fallen regardless, one way or another. I don’t see how it could have been saved.

That should have been up to The Hawaiians, not us.

28 posted on 08/14/2023 7:40:44 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Yes, I remember that the Japanese were “claiming” Hawaii in the 1980s.

Envelopes addressed to us were marked:

66 Kaikaina Street,
Kailua,
Lanikai, Oahu
TERRITORY OF HAWAII.


29 posted on 08/14/2023 7:46:38 PM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦...................."Who is Ray Epps?" should be overstamped on every piece of currency.)
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To: buwaya

Power lines blown down by the winds. I guess Hawaii should never had electricity


30 posted on 08/14/2023 7:50:10 PM PDT by realcleanguy (quickly things are falling apart, now that the )
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To: dfwgator

“That should have been up to The Hawaiians, not us.”

But which Hawaiians? Thats the point. The native Hawaiians were a minority in their own land. The de facto government (which was a very unfair “democracy”) of Hawaii petitioned for annexation.


31 posted on 08/14/2023 7:51:00 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: cuz1961

Hell yeah. Us white devils burned some minority slum down. Opps it was a major tourist destination of those white colonial bags of carbon creating CO2.


32 posted on 08/14/2023 7:54:15 PM PDT by wgmalabama (Censored !)
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To: realcleanguy

Anything could have ignited this tinder. But that too. The landscape was prepared to burn by over a century of cascading causes. Including an unprepared and clueless government. And people.

A parallel case btw, are the California fires. Land use, development where it shouldnt have been, political priorities that were blind to physical circumstances, etc.


33 posted on 08/14/2023 7:56:40 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: cuz1961

Hawaii has been a state since 1959. Yet colonialism is responsible for fires in 2023?!


34 posted on 08/14/2023 8:04:35 PM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man.)
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To: realcleanguy

Wood structures and high wind. Bad combination. Blood dancing already commencing. Can’t let a serious crisis go to waste.


35 posted on 08/14/2023 8:10:08 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God” -Matthew 5:9)
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To: buwaya

So you’re not just a cackler on the Uke threads - your well-written ignorance/stupdity is ubiquitous throughout FR.

You’re why many of us think foreigners shouldn’t be allowed on FR. Please, at least, just do the Christian thing and stfu.


36 posted on 08/14/2023 8:14:18 PM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/CA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: AAABEST
NOTICE: Please knock-off the abusive posts, name-calling, taunting, trolling, stalking, flame-baiting, insults, religious insults, flames, threats, ill-wishes, harassing & annoying posts, unwanted posts & FReepmail, etc, etc, etc Jim Robinson
37 posted on 08/14/2023 8:23:45 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: buwaya

Iread once that the Hawaiians petitioned Great Britain to rule them but they declined as they were too busy with Napoleon so then they turned to the US.


38 posted on 08/14/2023 8:34:24 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: AAABEST

Just the facts. Land use in Hawaii is a subject you can research for yourself. But you wont.


39 posted on 08/14/2023 8:38:42 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Rummyfan

There are usually many causes for any system failure, building on each other. The way land use evolved in Hawaii certainly is one of them.

You had huge plantations of cash crops, developed during the 19th century by, mostly, the descendants of American missionaries. They acquired huge tracts of land. They imported great numbers of mostly Asian laborers to replace native Hawaiians, who had just barely avoided dying out completely from old world diseases (which is how Hawaii lost its sovereignty).

When the plantation agriculture system became uneconomical these former monoculture lands were largely abandoned to grass. Hence grass fires.

Of course, at any point someone (maybe the government) could have done something. Those were points of failure too. But they didnt.


40 posted on 08/14/2023 8:51:16 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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