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FREEDOM, DEMOKRASI AND CIVILISED HUMANITY - Mary Baker Eddy - Strong Clear Faith
freedom-demokrasi-and-civilised-humanity ^ | 16th July, 2023, American time | Ozguy1945

Posted on 07/16/2023 4:39:57 PM PDT by Ozguy1945

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To: imardmd1
We need to do a better job of defining "omnipresence".

Perhaps God's "influence" is everywhere, but his "essence" is not?

The Triune God, with the manifestation of Jesus as God Incarnate, with the material world, the cosmos, a dimension created by the Preexisting Godhead and always separated from Him, is the prime feature of Judeo+Christ(ian) distinctives.

That may be Christian theology, but it is certainly not "Judeo."

81 posted on 07/17/2023 3:09:41 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: Jonty30
No matter how powerful God is and does, I can imagine +1.

No, you can't. You can't even imagine infinity. Our brains are not wired for that.

God exists outside of all Creation. As an imperfect example, think of a Minecraft game. You, the player, exist outside of that game, and can see and be everywhere.

God is a better "player" with an infinitely more complex Creation than you will ever be.

82 posted on 07/17/2023 4:20:55 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: ShadowAce

I am imagining infinity right now. Im also adding +1 to it.


83 posted on 07/17/2023 4:25:03 AM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: Jonty30
Anything you can add to is within the realm of infinity.

You may claim you are imagining it, but you are a liar if you do.

84 posted on 07/17/2023 4:26:04 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: ShadowAce

The final destination would be the same, but my guy would be ahead by +1.


85 posted on 07/17/2023 4:48:04 AM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: metmom

I made a post containing facts as I know them. TBP responded with a post which essentially said, you’re wrong, and nothing more. I responded with a post which essentially said, you’re wrong, and nothing more.

Now your trying to rake me over the proverbial coals for being too brief? Bwahaha.

Gee, I wonder which side of this argument you started off on?


86 posted on 07/17/2023 6:28:26 AM PDT by nagant (`)
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To: Jess Kitting

God sent Jesus here to die in our place and save us from our sins so that we could live forever. Whatever happened to dying humans before Jesus is still happening to unsaved dying humans today.


87 posted on 07/17/2023 6:35:26 AM PDT by nagant (`)
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To: nagant; metmom
metmom was responding to TBP--not you.

You were pinged as a courtesy since you were involved in the conversation.

She is on your side.

88 posted on 07/17/2023 7:47:35 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: nagant

And you still aren’t showing anyone where you claim they are wrong.


89 posted on 07/17/2023 8:58:37 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: nagant; ShadowAce

I just saw post 88 and didn’t follow the converstation back like I should have.

Shadow Ace is correct. You were courtesy pinged.


90 posted on 07/17/2023 9:01:02 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Jess Kitting
Perhaps God's "influence" is everywhere, but his "essence" is not?

Perhaps it's like if you got married and fashioned a ring to signify your status, and always wore it right close to your person, but were not a part of it? Sort of?

Jesus told the woman at the well (Jn. 4:24 Textus Receptus):

πνευμα ο θεος

[Translated: "Spirit is The God" meaning that God is the substance of the spiritual realm]

και τους προσκυνουντας αυτον

[Translated: "and ones continually worshiping Him"]

εν πνευματι και αληθεια δει προσκυνειν 

[Translated:"in spirit and truth must perform the worshiping"; that is, (1) the realms 'spirit' and 'truth' are conceptual entities but are not of the material realm of dimension, mass, and/or time; and (2) they are always available and at hand to the spirit of man that inhabits a material vehicle, which (3) vehicle is not of the spirit substance, but separate from Him, Jehovah Elohim the Creator of all concept and things]
Thus, God(Father + Son + Spirit coexisting) being Spirit is a Uniplural Entity that created an extension of the concept, together with personalities of it that are not Him and not material, but can motivate material beings, as He can. It is in this sense that God is always at one's elbow so to speak, always nearby, even to insensate or blinded objects.

From the endearing, encouraging hymn that puts loneliness to an end:

"I need Thee every hour, be Thou nearby.
Temptations lose their pow'r when Thou art nigh."
A powerful plea, is it not? It is most certainly mine, constantly. But something that is conceptual, abstract, a doctrine, is very hard to destroy with any material tool. And that is what "Freedom" and "Republic" are concepts so necessary to experience the joy of existence, even without a mortal body. They are sovereign and unique to each individual, and not erased by torture or death. They are spiritual in nature, though they may be implemented in the temporal material realm.

(I know that this musing is incomplete, but perhaps a place for others to begin theirs.)

91 posted on 07/17/2023 9:14:08 AM PDT by imardmd1 (To learn is to live. To live is to teach another. Fiat Lux!)
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To: Jess Kitting; Jonty30
But that's not "omnipresence." For all we know, God could be at a call center in India, answering everyone's prayers simultaneously. His being accessible to all does not mean that he is everywhere at once.

The problem is the inability of our finite mind to grasp the infinite. Scripture does say:

    For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. (Colossians 1:16,17)

The Amplified Bible describes it as, "His is the controlling, cohesive force of the universe.". This was always an amazing thought to me regarding atoms: “It is the strong nuclear force that holds the protons and neutrons together in the tiny atomic nuclei, overcoming the electrostatic repulsion of the protons” (New collaboration to probe physical reality’s quantum ‘glue’). Without this force there would be no universe. So, yes, God IS everywhere at once.

92 posted on 07/17/2023 3:05:20 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: boatbums
The Amplified Bible describes it as, "His is the controlling, cohesive force of the universe."

So God is the "force" holding everything together?

What a daunting responsibility. I'm sure He is up to the task.

You're right--it is nearly impossible for me to comprehend the infinite. I'll leave it at that.

I'm curious about the "Amplified Bible". Always interested in new insights, but from what I understand, adding to scripture is a big no-no for most Christians.

93 posted on 07/17/2023 3:44:23 PM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: Jonty30

The Life of God is in, as, through, and throughout everything.


94 posted on 07/17/2023 3:48:05 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: Jess Kitting
It's not "adding to Scripture" to translate original words and concepts from one language to another so that the meaning is clarified.

"Amplifications" are words or phrases intended to more fully bring out the meaning of the original text but distinguished from the translation itself by a unique system of brackets, parentheses, and italics. The translation is largely one of formal equivalence (word-for-word). (Amplified Bible)

95 posted on 07/17/2023 4:15:16 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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