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Russia: Ukraine’s “Counter-Offensive” Lost Over 26.000 Men, 1200 Tanks and APCs, 21 Planes and 5 Choppers Since June 4
Gateway Pundit ^ | Jul. 12, 2023 | Richard Abelson

Posted on 07/12/2023 9:29:37 AM PDT by Kazan

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To: Boogieman

We have been, literally.

For more than a year BTW.

And they have been shown to be inaccurate, as the leaked Defense Department documents proved.


41 posted on 07/12/2023 3:52:51 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Petrosius

Ignoring the fact that there are two sides (US/EU and Russia) to this issue and trying to FORCE ones own interests in complete disregard of others that will be impacted (one side) is exactly what brought us to where we are today.

Your thinking caused a war and it will not help end this war. It has not helped the Ukrainians, that’s for sure, even though you may feel you support them with some little flag pin, bumper sticker or whatnot.

This is already a failure. It will be interesting to see how we spin this as a success and eventually disengage.


42 posted on 07/12/2023 4:04:25 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Kazan
“On February 28, 2022, Biden’s press secretary Jen Psaki said that the use of cluster bombs would be a war crime,” said Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova. “Over a year later, Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor to US President Joe Biden, said at a briefing that the White House would provide cluster munitions to Ukraine

She is cuter than Jake Sullivan. We need an upgrade.


43 posted on 07/12/2023 4:08:01 PM PDT by montag813
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To: All

The Grayzone conducted an independent audit of US funding for Ukraine and discovered a series of wasteful, highly unusual expenditures the Biden administration has yet to explain.

Zelensky is a phony. America is being drained dry. We are being fleeced.

The war/welfare checks are far, far more than being reported…......
including scarce US Social Security funds going to Ukraine.

US taxpayers may be shocked to learn that as their families grappled with fears of Social Security’s looming insolvency, the Social Security Administration in Washington sent $4.48 million to the Kiev government in 2022 and 2023 alone.

In another example of bizarre spending, USAID paid off $4.5 billion worth of Ukraine’s sovereign debt through payments made to the World Bank — all while Congress went to loggerheads over America’s ballooning national debt.

Beneficiaries of USAID’s Ukraine aid:
<><>Polish NATO lobbyists,
<><>a private equity firm,
<><>rural Kenyans,
<><>a TV station in Toronto

<><>$21.8 billion to Ukraine throughout fiscal years 2022 and 2023, roughly 41 percent of the 53.4 billion it spent during that period.
<><>Mysteriously, a portion of USAID funding earmarked for Kiev was sent to Kenya and Ethiopia via other agencies, with the award description stating projects in Africa were “partially funded with response funds and Ukraine supplemental funds.”

<><>USAID sent $4.5 billion to Ukraine via the World Bank to pay off Kiev’s debt and fund various social programs, including government pensions.
<><>USAID made a total of $21 billion worth of direct payments to the World Bank in fiscal years 2022 and 2023 (9.1 Billion and 11.9 Billion, respectively), more money than all of the funding Washington sent to the bank between fiscal years 2008 and 2021 combined.
<><>The $4.5 billion allocated for Ukraine funded programs directed by the bank’s International Development Association and International Bank for Reconstruction and Development.

<><>USAID supplied a $1 billion grant to the World Bank’s International Bank for Reconstruction and Development to subsidize projects “Ukraine cannot fund at this time.”

<><>USAID has supplied $20 million to “Miscellaneous Foreign Awardees” since February 2020. Recipients include a Polish think tank called the Casimir Pulaski Foundation, a Toronto-based Ukrainian TV channel, a collection of Ukrainian “anti-corruption” organizations, and other groups listed in the screenshot below. These awards were issued on top of $26 million worth of funds USAID sent these groups between 2016 and the February 2022 war escalation.

<><>USAID allocated $500,000 for the Casimir Pulaski Foundation in 2023 to fund a program dedicated to “advanc[ing] U.S. foreign policy objectives by supporting economic growth, agriculture and trade; global health; and democracy, conflict prevention and humanitarian assistance” in Ukraine. The funds were earmarked “to strengthen the International Center for Ukrainian Victory (ICUV) initiative in implementing international advocacy campaigns to keep high levels of international solidarity with Ukraine.”

……and much, much more…..


44 posted on 07/12/2023 4:29:18 PM PDT by Liz (Vox Populi, Vox Dei (voice of the people is the voice of God))
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

This need not have happened.

And world would have been better if they took a different approach.

They chose poorly.


45 posted on 07/12/2023 4:36:23 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Red6

There is only one side that should get to decide who rules Ukraine, that is the Ukrainians. Yes, both the US/EU and Russia were trying to influence Ukrainian politics but Russia does not get to invade because they lost this political battle. Russia needs to accept that Ukraine is no longer a province of Russia. Additionally, surrendering Ukraine to Russian domination will not bring peace. It will only bring about an insurgent movement against the Russians. See Algeria, Vietnam, Afghanistan (against both the Russians and the US), etc. Even if they win on the battlefield, the Russians cannot win this conflict. Continuing this war is no more beneficial to the Russians than it is to the Ukrainians. The Russians, too, would be better of if they just went home and accept that they can no longer control what goes on in Ukraine.


46 posted on 07/12/2023 4:46:46 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Kazan

Russia lost that many choppers when Wagner started their brief rebellion. LOL.


47 posted on 07/12/2023 5:10:03 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: Kazan
Ukraine’s “Counter-Offensive” Lost Over 26.000 Men, 1200 Tanks and APCs, 21 Planes and 5 Choppers Since June 4

Well, that certainly is good news.

Perhaps a little dose of reality will mean more to those Uke Nazis than the perverted pleasure they get from Murdering defenseless Russian women and children.

48 posted on 07/12/2023 5:25:07 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: eyeamok
...children and grand children of every last Demonrat Politician and Public Servant to go over there and join in the fight.

Yes, Democrats need to fight for their country!!

49 posted on 07/12/2023 5:30:51 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Navy Patriot
Perhaps a little dose of reality will mean more to those Uke Nazis than the perverted pleasure they get from Murdering defenseless Russian women and children.

You forgot to add bayonetting babies on church doors. I guess for some the only way to justify Russia's invasion is to demonize the Ukrainians with vile lies.

50 posted on 07/12/2023 6:32:29 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Navy Patriot

It does seem to be the one they care about most.


51 posted on 07/12/2023 6:45:14 PM PDT by yuleeyahoo (The nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one. Hamilton)
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To: Petrosius

grooming - trafficking

liberal satanic diversity

that’s outlawed in russia

the liberal commie crusade warriors

Ukraine - dnc / rnc party

rainbow gay nato

is fighting russia - them


52 posted on 07/12/2023 6:58:59 PM PDT by Firehath
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To: Petrosius

You’re just saying things that create the illusion of having an argument.

1. The areas Russia seized are ethnic Russian. They vote for the pro-russian candidate in the Ukrainian elections, they speak Russian as their mother tongue, they once were part of Russia, Ukraine was the one that was actively “oppressing” these people who do not see themselves as Ukrainian...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Ethnolingusitic_map_of_ukraine.png

2. Ukraine is no more “sovereign” when they are a cockhold nation to the US/EU than Russia. Had we actually cared about such concepts as “sovereignty and democracy” we should have embraced the Minsk agreement which would have reduced at least the military foreign presence in Ukraine, but we didn’t.

3. The gist of your argument is might makes right. Because we are stronger economically, have more military power, we are right. That’s not the case. In this conflict, Russia has legitimate security concerns, i.e. Ukraine being a NATO nation. We chose to ignore our promise of no NATO East expansion which we did make and today deny. We did leave the ballistic missile treaty which adds to the problem. We did violate Minsk. Most importantly if you look at it from a purely military planning/strategic perspective, Ukraine being in NATO is a real threat to them.

Russia and Ukraine have the same rail gauge and share major hardball roads. They share something like 1,300 miles of border. There are large maneuver corridor’s where you can shove a large mechanized force through between these two nations. Ukraine can support the long term basing of a large foreign military contingent (infrastructure, population and economy). It’s easy to hide things in Ukraine (large with forrests and cities). Ukraine is land connected to Poland, Romania, Slovakia (NATO) members and logistics is easy. Major sea and airfields allow for strategic air and sea lift, i.e. B52/2, C5, military ships. North East Ukraine is 6 minutes time of flight to Moscow for a hypersonic missile and most of Russia’s nuclear deterrent forces are in their South West, meaning we have a first strike advantage, can seriously impact their capabilities with our missile defense (banned by the ballistic missile treaty we left)...

When you realize that if you were in the Russians shoes, YOU would do the exact same thing, trying to pretend like they are just savage, aggressive, war mongering animals is insincere.

The US which nearly hurled the world into nuclear war over mere missiles being based in Cuba, where you have 90 miles of water between us; a nation which unilaterally came up and imposed the Monroe doctrine on Central and South America, today talking about Russia not having a right to defend themselves from our expansion into their sphere of influence where they see a threat, is the epitome of irony.

Russia isn’t some chump that we can push around and the aggressor isn’t them:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020)#:~:text=Operation%20Gideon%20(Spanish%3A%20Operaci%C3%B3n%20Gede%C3%B3n,Maduro%20from%20office%20in%20Venezuela.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war

All of these are major oil producers, coincidentally. All of these are aligned with Russia.

The reality isn’t them attacking us, it’s us seeing them as weak and attacking them.

What would (((YOU))) do if in their shoes?


53 posted on 07/13/2023 3:38:39 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Petrosius
You forgot to add bayoneting babies on church doors.

No, I didn't forget, I don't have any evidence that Uke Nazis bayoneted babies on church doors.

I will include it in future comments if you will kindly send me the Link to reasonable evidence of that incident.

Reuters, Feb 18, 2022, alarm over sharp increase of Donbass shelling by Ukraine

54 posted on 07/14/2023 9:05:31 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Navy Patriot
No, I didn't forget, I don't have any evidence that Uke Nazis bayoneted babies on church doors.

Nor is there any evidence that the Ukrainians deliberately shelled civilian targets as you claimed.

55 posted on 07/14/2023 9:30:00 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
Sure there is, here you go:


56 posted on 07/14/2023 9:50:56 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Navy Patriot

Yeah, they are some small groups who waved Nazi flags, but that is not proof of deliberate shelling of the civilian population by the Ukrainian army as you claimed. There are groups in the US who march around with Nazi flags, but they are not shelling anyone. On the other hand, Russia has been attacking civilian targets on a large scale for over a year. Where is your outrage. I guess, for some, flags are more dangerous than bombs.


57 posted on 07/14/2023 10:31:26 AM PDT by Petrosius
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