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Putin Orders Reality Check – No Ukrainians Left On The Battlefield, No Sovereignty In Kiev
Dances with Bears ^ | 24 June23 | John Helmer

Posted on 06/25/2023 6:39:29 PM PDT by delta7

In brief statements issued late last week in Moscow – their significance missed in the western press — President Vladimir Putin ordered a reality check of Russia’s war strategy. He then answered himself by declaring the war will be over when no Ukrainian army will be left on the battlefield, nor NATO weapons.

The Foreign Ministry answered by pointing out that Russia does not recognize there is a legal Ukrainian state because the reality is that the mutual recognition treaty between Russia and the Ukraine was cancelled by Presidents Petro Poroshenko and Vladimir Zelensky in 2018 and 2019. “We can conclude,” Putin said at the Security Council meeting on Thursday morning, “that they can certainly send in additional equipment, but the mobilisation reserve is not unlimited. And Ukraine’s Western allies really seem determined to fight with Russia to the last Ukrainian. At the same time, we must proceed from the fact that the enemy’s offensive potential has not been exhausted; they may have strategic reserves yet unused, and I ask you to keep this in mind when making fighting strategies. You need to proceed from reality.”

Putin was following by a few hours the statement by the Foreign Ministry that Russia does not recognize the legal sovereignty of the regime in Kiev, and that following the cancellation of the treaty between the Ukraine and Russia in 2019, there will be no Ukrainian state left to sign an end-of-war agreement.

At her weekly briefing of reporters, the ministry spokesman Maria Zakharova, was asked “when will Russia initiate a legal procedure to terminate the bilateral treaty with Ukraine on its sovereignty?” Zakharova answered: “The procedure for terminating the bilateral treaty with Ukraine on its sovereignty is hampered by the absence of such a treaty. In Article 1 of the Treaty on the Principles of Relations between the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR of November 19, 1990, the two republics recognised each other as ‘sovereign states.’ The 1990 treaty was then replaced by the Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine of May 31, 1997 (Article 39), which was denounced by Ukraine and terminated on April 1, 2019.”

No army, no state. But the war will continue because it is the one between the US and the NATO powers and Russia. That too will have an ending, but longer.

“If [NATO Secretary-General] Mr Stoltenberg again says on behalf of NATO that they are against freezing the conflict in Ukraine,” Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on June 21, “this means that they want to fight. So let them fight. We are ready for that. We realised NATO’s true goals in Ukraine some time ago as their plans took shape over the years that followed the coup. Today, NATO is attempting to implement them…they are directly involved in the hybrid and hot war declared on Russia.”

I am reminded, Lavrov added, “of a Soviet-era joke noting that the Soviet Union is located too close to US military bases.” The Soviet Union was dismantled, but the war continues against Russia. It will end when the US is pushed to a safe distance. How safe, Putin asked Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to explain in answer to two questions?

Putin’s question: “we know that the enemy is to receive additional Western equipment. What does the Defence Ministry think about threats in this connection?” Shoigu’s answer: “All arsenals, accumulated by the Soviet Union and countries of the former socialist bloc, have now been virtually depleted. We can say the same about former Ukrainian resources… the amount, due to be delivered throughout 2023, as well as those weapons that have already been delivered, will not seriously affect the course of hostilities. Additionally, most of the armoured vehicles and fighting vehicles belong to the previous generation, or even to an earlier generation. On the one hand, their armour is weak and ineffective, compared to modern equipment. Mr President, we do not see any threats here.”

Question: “Mr Shoigu, what is the percentage of Western equipment out of the equipment that has been destroyed since June 4, which Mr Patrushev has just reported giving generalised data? Approximately.” Answer: “Of the 246 tanks destroyed, 13 were Western made. At the same time, it should be noted that, if we consider the equipment that was delivered, tanks in particular: 81 Western-made tanks have been delivered. Of the 81 Western tanks, 13 [16%] have been destroyed. Of the armoured fighting vehicles, 59 Western ones have been destroyed. To date, Western countries have supplied Ukraine with an estimated 109 Bradley armoured fighting vehicles. Of the 109 BFVs, 18 [17%] have been destroyed. Overall, 59 Western-made armoured vehicles have been destroyed. As for field artillery and guns, here, of course, I can estimate right away that out of the 48 pieces destroyed, about 30 percent were Western made.”

The “reality”, Putin concluded publicly, not for Shoigu or the General Staff, is that the percentage of NATO weapons destroyed on the battlefield will rise sharply because “the enemy’s offensive potential has not been exhausted; they may have strategic reserves yet unused.” When those reserves are defeated, there will be neither NATO arms nor Ukrainian men left.

The significance of this re-tuning of Russia’s war aims was diverted for several hours by the Prigozhin affair. The return of the Wagner columns to their bases in Lugansk, the dissolution of Wagner by the Defense Ministry, and the exit of Prigozhin to house arrest in Belarus remove the distraction from the battlefield and the General Staff’s war strategy. If Prigozhin cannot bear the silence, the lack of access to the fortune he has accumulated, and his loss of freedom of movement, he may attempt a break-out to Africa, to plot his return to Russian politics. He will also be aware of the Lebed precedent – and the danger of taking helicopter rides.

Russian military sources believe the outcome of the one-armed rebellion will be salutary for the key decision-makers including Putin and Shoigu; least of all the General Staff and the chief, General Valery Gerasimov, who have come out of the affair with greater political leverage over the Kremlin. According to one Moscow source, “Now that the General Staff have saved the president, the latter will allow General Patience to continue doing its work, as Generals Iskander and Kinzhal seem to be doing theirs now.”…….


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To: Mariner

Why do you frauds always tell people what is “certain” when you don’t know a damn thing and cannot predict the future.


21 posted on 06/25/2023 8:12:42 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: BobL

Get out of my country, if you’re even here.


22 posted on 06/25/2023 8:13:39 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: ansel12

That’s awesome! All according to plan. BTW, notice Garretson B Trudeau is 17 letters, the same as Yevgeny V Prigozhin? And did you catch the time on Prigozhin’s wrist watch when he was leaving Rostov-on-Don? It was 5:17, aka 17:17! Trust the plan! /Qtard


23 posted on 06/25/2023 8:14:41 PM PDT by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
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To: delta7
"Putin’s question: “we know that the enemy is to receive additional Western equipment. What does the Defence Ministry think about threats in this connection?”

Shoigu’s answer: “All arsenals, accumulated by the Soviet Union and countries of the former socialist bloc, have now been virtually depleted. We can say the same about former Ukrainian resources… the amount, due to be delivered throughout 2023, as well as those weapons that have already been delivered, will not seriously affect the course of hostilities.

Additionally, most of the armoured vehicles and fighting vehicles belong to the previous generation, or even to an earlier generation. On the one hand, their armour is weak and ineffective, compared to modern equipment. Mr President, we do not see any threats here.”"

24 posted on 06/25/2023 8:15:55 PM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: kiryandil

I sense some butt-hurt on the part of the Europeans here...


25 posted on 06/25/2023 8:17:25 PM PDT by BobL
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To: devere

These scumbags wishing for Putin to “spank” us and using his propaganda terminology. The article posted here is the ramblings of a maniac. Ukraine doesn’t exist as a country? Isn’t that a convenient fantasy for a crazy dictator.

Yes Putin is dangerous, but his ravings in this article sound like he is seriously ass hurt and lashing out.


26 posted on 06/25/2023 8:18:14 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

I saw the lone T-34 as an artistic statement. Reminding people that they were again fighting Nazis on the same battlefields.

Kind of like a poignant reminder. A solo singer on the stage. Do you really think that lone tank means they only had one tank?

You also think stairway to heaven is about a staircase and wonder why they didn’t just build an elevator.


27 posted on 06/25/2023 8:22:16 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: kiryandil

I think with the impending end of Ukraine, Europe can move to a much more PEACEFUL future, regardless of the dreams of the Neocons.


28 posted on 06/25/2023 8:24:51 PM PDT by BobL
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To: jmacusa

It means bottles in Spanish, originally flasks of leather like used in the old days.

So that means Vlad wants a drink, that’s probably what they article is about.


29 posted on 06/25/2023 8:25:52 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: delta7
Putin was following by a few hours the statement by the Foreign Ministry that Russia does not recognize the legal sovereignty of the regime in Kiev, and that following the cancellation of the treaty between the Ukraine and Russia in 2019, there will be no Ukrainian state left to sign an end-of-war agreement.

They just said the quit part out load, Russia’s goal is the elimination of a sovereign Ukrainian state.

30 posted on 06/25/2023 8:29:41 PM PDT by Salohcin
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To: delta7

For this part of the world, the more things change, the more they stay the same...


31 posted on 06/25/2023 8:34:50 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperately need him)
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To: packagingguy
Bottles in Spanish is botellas.
32 posted on 06/25/2023 8:46:50 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: BobL; cabojoe
I sense some butt-hurt on the part of the Europeans here...

They were positively Zeepriapic a day ago.

33 posted on 06/25/2023 9:06:10 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Salohcin
Russia’s goal is the elimination of a sovereign Ukrainian state.

There is no "sovereign" Ukrainian state.

Do you need to consult with your ESL tutor?

The Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation cleared up that little misconception.

34 posted on 06/25/2023 9:08:53 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: BobL
regardless of the dreams of the Neocons.

"Cookies" Nuland, just a small-town girl with a big dream.

35 posted on 06/25/2023 9:10:04 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

It’s pretty sad. They had a chance to be sovereign state, but instead decided to roll the dice with the Neocons. Not very smart. Now Russia will have to clean up the place and whatever is left will be nothing like the former country of Ukraine.


36 posted on 06/25/2023 9:12:03 PM PDT by BobL
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To: ansel12

Instead of posting a novel full of your utter bull$**t - which nobody but imbeciles reads - why not just write us a paragraph or two on how your FR account slept for years on end - then you came back as a Flaming Uke harpy.

Come on man.


37 posted on 06/25/2023 9:12:30 PM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/CA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: BobL; kiryandil

People will be getting familiar with the term “rump state.”


38 posted on 06/25/2023 9:14:45 PM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/CA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: AAABEST; BobL

Wonder the Piano Man will get it in the rump from the Azov guys, like Gaddafi got it?


39 posted on 06/25/2023 9:18:35 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Williams

Didn’t you make enough of an idiot of yourself yesterday? You and your silly harpies - jacking each other over a fake coup.

Sit in the dunce chair and shut up.


40 posted on 06/25/2023 9:19:21 PM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/CA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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