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FACT or FICTION: Possible Russian Civil War? (5 articles)
Censor.net ^ | 6-23-2023 | Staff

Posted on 06/23/2023 4:20:43 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

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To: Sunsong

” Shoigu is trying to block off Wagner PMC from entering Russia from Ukraine.”
~ Igor Sushko


21 posted on 06/23/2023 4:52:55 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong

“As I said, there is no Russian state, no political chain of command, and total failure in Ukraine has exposed that. Who will obey whose orders now? If Prigozhin is still alive and free in 24 hours, we will have entered a new reality.”
~ Garry Kasparov


22 posted on 06/23/2023 4:56:22 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

May it be so!

“At this point it is absolutely irrelevant if Prigozhin’s coup will succeed or not. Literally everybody in Russia and outside will know after this night that the war in Ukraine is lost. The morale of the Russian army, which was already low, will hit rock bottom and the mood in Russia altogether will be Armageddon-like.

What started as an attempt to overthrow the Ukrainian government and annex all of Ukraine has eventually backfired on a monumental scale. The last chapter of this Russian-made tragedy has opened and I doubt that it will be a long chapter.”
~ Tendar


23 posted on 06/23/2023 4:58:12 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: chemical_boy; Owen; for-q-clinton

I am not familiar with this news source. However
ANOTHER SOURCE: World Wide News
https://twitter.com/wwnews247

Something is happening in #Russia !🇷🇺

Russian media:
“The source says there is panic in the Kremlin, no one can reach Putin”

“Source: Right now the Kremlin is negotiating about something with general governor Dyumin”

VIDEO LINKS: too many to LINK HERE

https://twitter.com/i/status/1672381793482227712

https://twitter.com/wwnews247/status/1672372953311330305

DOWNTOWN ROSTOV-ON-DON in Russia. If the rumor that Wagner’s 50km column crossed the border into Rostov region is true, this will be the first major city on Wagner’s path to Moscow.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1672367973263081482

CHECKPOINTS have been set up at entries into Moscow.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1672390577889976320

SECURITY MEASURES STRENGTHENED IN MOSCOW:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1672367509356310529

DOWNTOWN MOSCOW
https://twitter.com/i/status/1672364582327787521

Prigozhin message to the National Guard to switch sides: “The most promising politician offer that is best not to refuse. Following criminal orders and trying to prevent the intended March of Justice will end miserably for the wrong choice.”

“All RosGvardia officers of the Central Military District have been summoned to the units on high alert in the middle of the night. RosGvardia reports directly to Putin, not the Ministry of Defense.”


24 posted on 06/23/2023 5:03:39 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

“Peskov: Putin had given orders to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Federal Security Service, Russian Guard Service due to the “attempted armed rebellion”. A VChK-OGPU source commented on the situation in Moscow’s Federal Security Service and Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs: “Everyone is up, arrived urgently. Now all the offices are like one big after-party. 80% of the staff reek of alcohol. Some of them can hardly stand on their feet. They can’t be armed or sent anywhere. Friday night’s the perfect time to start something like this. Everybody’s standing around, waiting for something. No introductions. A couple of hours more and there’ll be conflicts amongst them when they start to sober up”.
~ Anton Gerashchenko


25 posted on 06/23/2023 5:12:19 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: for-q-clinton

“ Is Prigozhyn’s mercenaries being killed by Russian army? Yes.

But that doesn’t make it a civil war.”

Makes it a tea party.


26 posted on 06/23/2023 5:14:04 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: for-q-clinton
Is Prigozhyn’s mercenaries being killed by Russian army? Yes.
But that doesn't make it a civil war.

He says one of his bases in Ukraine was attacked by the Russian air force.
Prigozhin called for overthrowing the Russian government.
He says Wagner is moving on Rostov.

Roadblocks are getting set up Moscow and Rostov.
Russian armored vehicles are seen in Moscow.
The FSB is investigating Prigozhin for mutiny.
Surovikin is calling on Wagner soldiers to remain loyal to Putin.

What label used is to describe this is irrelevant.
There is a major internal conflict going on in Russia now.

27 posted on 06/23/2023 5:14:55 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: Sunsong

“No matter how long #Prigozhin lasts, Putin will emerge from this crisis much weaker than before.”
~ Michael McFaul


28 posted on 06/23/2023 5:15:53 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
🙏 💯.
29 posted on 06/23/2023 5:17:38 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: Widget Jr

WOW

“The FSB is investigating Prigozhin for mutiny.”
~ Michael McFaul


30 posted on 06/23/2023 5:20:26 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Reverend Wright

Ukraine is a Christian country with high church attendance.

Russia has close to zero church attendance with only about 1% showing up even for special religious Holy days.


31 posted on 06/23/2023 5:30:54 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: AdmSmith; Sunsong; Widget Jr

Thank you for your Russian Updates with LINKS.

Sharing a few of your LINKS:

1. General “Armageddon” Surovikin published a video calling Wagner to “obey the Supreme Commander”.

“I have just returned by the order of the Ministry of Defence from the zero line, where our forces, our commanders, our soldiers, volunteers carry out the objective, fighting the superior enemy forces to death, take casualties, but stand on their positions. I appeal to the leadership, commanders and fighters of PMC Wagner: Together with you, we walked a difficult path. Together with you, we fought, we took risks, we took losses, but overcome together. We are of the same blood. We are warriors.

I call on you to stop. The enemy is waiting for our internal political situation to aggravate. We shouldn’t play into the enemy’s hand in this difficult time for the country.” It needs to be done before it’s too late: to obey the will and order of the people-elected President of the Russian Federation. Stop the columns, and return them to their permanent positions and places of concentration.

To solve all problems with civil means only under the leadership of the Supreme Commander of the Russian Armed Forces. He is being slowly joined by other high-ranking commanders of the Russian army in similar videos.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672357331663765504

2. WAGNER GROUP®
🎼 The situation around PMC “Wagner” is becoming more complicated. The National Guard was ordered to intensify the opposition to the fighters of the “orchestra”. At the same time, the officers refuse to speak out against the “musicians,” according to the military commander Anna Dolgareva.

“We will not fight against Wagner. Because they came out of the same hell we were in. We will go where we are told, but we will not fight against Wagner PMC. I won’t lead the guys against Wagner, ”the military correspondent quoted the words of an officer of the Russian Guard! !!

https://t.me/wagnernew/8239

3. The most important objects of Moscow are taken under enhanced protection, security measures in the capital have been strengthened. This was reported to TASS by law enforcement agencies. “Security measures have been strengthened in Moscow, all the most important facilities, state authorities and transport infrastructure facilities have been taken under enhanced protection,” the source said. According to him, the OMON and SOBR units of the Russian Guard have been alerted.

https://t.me/rusbrief/129043

4. Garry Kasparov @Kasparov63
Don’t wonder what will happen if Russia collapses. It already did! Years ago. It’s not a state, it’s a mafia front with factions fighting each other for money, resources, and power.

Whatever is happening now, it was already clear Putin wasn’t able to control every faction or to keep the infighting quiet or at least non-violent the way he mostly could before. The pointing fingers among Russian factions will increasingly be on triggers as Ukrainian victories multiply. The towers of lies will collapse and new, smaller ones built. Defeat will be denied, then blamed on rivals, then fake victory declared by the survivors.

Whoever keeps control, Putin or anyone else, will be faced with threats & instability. It is vital for the free world not to offer any lifelines to murderers. We do not expect democracy and liberty to suddenly flourish, but there can be no deals with Russian war criminals.

There will be attempts to use internal conflict as pretext for ceasefires, sanctions relief, and other charades to give Russia time to regroup and reload while occupying Ukrainian territory & continuing the terror. No. Do not let whatever mafia show that is now out in the open in Russia distract from the goal of Ukrainian victory. It is time to accelerate, not hesitate. If you agree that “let them all lose” in Russia is ideal, the road to that is victory. Glory to Ukraine.

PS Please keep in mind that even more than usual, everything coming out of the Kremlin, and Russian generally, will be lies. It’s instinctive and about control. Such people would not admit they were drowning to a lifeguard.

https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1672361468602335238

5. WAGNER GROUP®
🎼Channel One about us:

A summary of the special newscast on Channel One for those who did not have time to watch the broadcast.

1. Reading out the reports of the CSO of the FSB, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Prosecutor General’s Office on the situation with the Wagner PMC.
2. A number of other official statements previously published in Telegram channels.
3. No additional information.

And there are no other announcements!
https://t.me/wagnernew/8242

6. In the centre of Moscow, access to the Presidential Administration is blocked.

AVChK-OGPU source says that the issue of blocking the entrances to Moscow with KAMAZs is being considered. It is noteworthy that according to the source, the vehicles were driven to all entrances as early as yesterday.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672377351554973697

7. At this point it is absolutely irrelevant if Prigozhin’s coup will succeed or not. Literally everybody in Russia and outside will know after this night that the war in Ukraine is lost. The morale of the Russian army, which was already low, will hit rock bottom and the mood in Russia altogether will be Armageddon-like.

What started as an attempt to overthrow the Ukrainian government and annex all of Ukraine has eventually backfired on a monumental scale. The last chapter of this Russian-made tragedy has opened and I doubt that it will be a long chapter.

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1672381532642889729


32 posted on 06/23/2023 5:33:43 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

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33 posted on 06/23/2023 5:34:46 PM PDT by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“Just stop. We’re not gravitating towards your cause, OK?”

Frankly, you alone are responsible to develop your point of view. I could care less.


34 posted on 06/23/2023 5:37:16 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Highway from Rostov on the Don to Moscow, at time of this post, Google maps
Russia closed the highway from Rostov on the Don to Shakhty.
That is 80 kilometers of closed highway in the last few hours.

No one closes a major highway like that for the hell of it.

35 posted on 06/23/2023 5:40:39 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: Owen

“Putin is a moderate.”

Moderate compared to whom? He’s a moderate compared to Stalin — at least for now. But compared to Gorbachev he’s a tyrannical monster.


36 posted on 06/23/2023 6:00:02 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Widget Jr

This could be an opportune time for Ukraine to take some territory

May it be so!


37 posted on 06/23/2023 6:04:02 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: for-q-clinton

“Yep. I think people are mad because Putin started a war which now we have to pay for. But in reality the west started the war when we caused a color revolution in Ukraine and Joe Biden got people fired so he could protect his son’s ‘business.’”

Nice try. The “color revolution” (the Orange Revolution) began in 2004; Russia invaded Ukraine ten years later in 2014 and illegally annexed Crimea; Biden got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired in 2016.


38 posted on 06/23/2023 6:08:37 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

Correct. All those things led to a destabilized region. Thank you for making my point. Oh and there were actually two color revolutions. But the 2nd one was just more of the same western influence gone awry.


39 posted on 06/23/2023 6:16:22 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Surovikin has just returned by the order of the Ministry of Defence (Shoigu), and he is calling on Wagner to stop.

I cannot see Wagner or Prigozhin joining up with him.

Surovikin works for Shoigu, who is the reason Prigozhin is fighting in the first place.


40 posted on 06/23/2023 6:25:21 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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