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To: MMusson

I fail to understand our National strategic interest in Ukraine. Is it to protect Ukraine? If so ... why? ... do we have to protect every nation? Is it regime change in Russia? Is that our responsibility?

I do highly fault President Biden for the situation in Ukraine.

First, Biden’s pathetic response to a news reporters questions prior to the invasion: “It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and we end up having to fight about what to do and not do...”

Many believe that Biden’s statement telegraphed apathy towards Russian Ukrainian aggression ... and may have influenced Putin’s decision to invade.

Secondly, Biden’s seemingly flip-flop from apathy to his vow to support Ukraine “...as long as it takes” against Russia, seems to give US support to Ukraine for never-ending, escalating war with Russia.

Sadly I believe that Biden’s statesmanship flops very well may have leaded to the initial Russian invasion of Ukraine, and trapped an American financed Ukraine into a prolonged war that cannot be won.

My opinion is that President Joe Biden should go down as perhaps one of the worse US statesman in history!


6 posted on 05/05/2023 3:25:19 AM PDT by teppe
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To: teppe

The Biden regime prodded Putin into invading Ukraine this whole damn thing is NOTHING MORE than a money laundering scheme lining ALL of our politicians pockets!! Ukraine is the most corrupt country on the planet lots of elites getting wealthy on OUR tax payer dollars and the hell with the people of Ukraine the end justifies the means our government is PURE EVIL!!


7 posted on 05/05/2023 3:33:36 AM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: teppe
I fail to understand our National strategic interest in Ukraine.

Just after the WW2 Tehran Conference, Stalin said to a journalist, (roughly translated):.

"It's high time the Slavic race was in charge of Europe."

Never forget that modern-day Muskovite culture is in part derived from the Mongol hordes who over-ran the region in the 13th century. They never really left..

Are we to wait until the Muskovite horde is at the Rhine? Occupying Istanbul? Or Oslo? Are you so poorly read that you don't know how and why the Cold War began? Why NATO had to be formed in the first place?.

Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it..

Those who DO study history are doomed to stand by watching helplessly while everyone else repeats it. *sigh*

8 posted on 05/05/2023 3:35:40 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: teppe; fireman15
I do highly fault President Biden for the situation in Ukraine.

Let's first get this out of the way: I detest Biden and will in no way argue to defend anything he has ever said or done since he was in diapers (which - wait a minute - might be since 2008).

So nothing I say in defense of Ukraine and/or against Russia has anything to do with Biden or his administration. Okay?

I fail to understand our National strategic interest in Ukraine. Is it to protect Ukraine? If so ... why? ... do we have to protect every nation? Is it regime change in Russia? Is that our responsibility?

To answer your questions:

1. "Is it to protect Ukraine?" No.

2. "Is it regime change in Russia?" No.

Our motivation is to ensure that Putin's Russia is not rewarded for this unconscionable and outrageous behavior (the launching of the bloodiest war in Europe since WWII), lest he continue repeating it (and possibly also encouraging imitators like China vis-à-vis the Spratley Islands and/or Taiwan). It is therefore in our interest to ensure that Putin loses. Preferably in as humiliating a fashion as possible. (Would also be nice if he were then deposed, like Mussolini - not likely, but I can dream, can't I?)

Why?

What Putin has done is morally reprehensible etc. - but no, the U.S. (though effectively the "world's policeman") would not be interested particularly in intervening if some postage-stamp-sized dictatorship in, say, Central Asia were to launch an unprovoked attack against some neighboring country. In such an event, we would carefully weighs the pros and cons and perhaps abstain from interfering.

In the case of the Russian Invasion of Ukraine, a weighing of the pros and cons reveals that the U.S. cannot afford to brook such behavior on the part of a major regional power in Europe. We cannot afford to appease, merely fret over, or ignore such behavior.

Putin has, in the meantime, made no secret of the fact that he intends to, essentially, dismember an entire E. European nation, absorbing large segments of it, though perhaps allowing a remnant to survive as a "Protectorate" or the like. It is also not at all in the realm of the impossible that he would then proceed to bully, threaten, and launch attacks at and seize portions of further European countries.

His nuclear sable-rattling is just the "icing on the cake," allowing us to fully disregard him as a reputable negotiating partner or international statesman.

Regards,

17 posted on 05/05/2023 3:55:38 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: teppe

It took two terms for Obama to pass Carter as the worst president, now Biden has roared past Obama in less than one term as the worst president. Who ever tops Biden as the worst president really has their work cut out for them.


21 posted on 05/05/2023 4:30:52 AM PDT by DaiHuy (I support LGBTQ. (Lets Get Biden to Quit.))
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