This Clip Is Very Telling To Probably What Happened To Tucker (2 minute video)

Luke Rudkowski via Twitter ^ | 04/24/23 | Tucker Carlson

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Name a country where big cities don’t play a big role in the government, the economy, society, and the culture.

Name a country whose capital doesn’t play a major role in its political life.

[BroJoeK]

A. Lincoln allegedly: " I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country.
As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
To Col. William F. Elkins Nov. 21, 1864

DiogenesLamp: " Lincoln *DID* say that.
It is now indisputable that Lincoln said it. "

Especially indisputable to those who wish to turn conservative Republican Lincoln into a radical socialist Democrat.
But other sites still list it as "discredited" and the reason is its source is Lincoln's partner, William Herndon.
By the time of Herndon's book, Herndon himself was incapacitated by alcoholism and under the sway of an interloper named Jessie Weik.
Either or both may have been more interested in making Lincoln into a "progressive" than Lincoln's words themselves warrant.

The basic problem is this quote is out of character for Lincoln, there are not others similar appearing indisputably elsewhere.

I do think we've covered this ground before in more detail.

[DiogenesLamp]

Name a country where big cities don’t play a big role in the government, the economy, society, and the culture.

Corrupt, behind the scenes meddling with the government through influence, bribery and kickback schemes is *NOT* a legitimate way for cities to play a big role in government.

Name a country whose capital doesn’t play a major role in its political life.

Capital is fine, corruption is not. I was just reading some more about the Credit Mobilier scandal of the 1860s. The primary guy involved was from Massachusetts and I assume he was a Republican.

[DiogenesLamp]

Especially indisputable to those who wish to turn conservative Republican Lincoln into a radical socialist Democrat.

Do tell. What was one of Lincoln's conservative characteristics? Usually social upheaval, spending enormous amounts of government money, and pushing protectionism tend to be liberal positions.

The basic problem is this quote is out of character for Lincoln, there are not others similar appearing indisputably elsewhere.

Again, you've failed to read the link I sent you. It mentions other quoptes and it also quotes Lincoln again from the time when he was in the legislature.

"“These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert to fleece the people, and now that they have got into a quarrel with themselves, we are called upon to appropriate the people’s money to settle the quarrel.”

speech to Illinois legislature, Jan. 1837.

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But you attack New York for being rich and influential, even when bribery and kickback schemes aren’t involved.

It’s like you have a problem with cities being cities and playing as large a role in a country’s life as cities always do.

When I said “capital,” I meant Washington DC, but I guess the word works as well in the sentence if it means “money.”

[rustbucket]

Thanks guys. Good to know.

[DiogenesLamp]

It’s like you have a problem with cities being cities and playing as large a role in a country’s life as cities always do.

I have a problem with cities using behind the scenes influence to get an advantage over everyone else in the country. New York is the seat of our media lie system, and I used to believe their lies were just part of their Urban social culture, but I now think they are merely the visible portion of the corruption cartel that exists mainly to manipulate the public into accepting the things the ruling class wants.

When I said “capital,” I meant Washington DC, but I guess the word works as well in the sentence if it means “money.”

I wasn't sure which way you meant it, so I took it the way you spelled it. You are of course right, it works whether you look at it as "money" or if you look at it as our ruling city.

I now see the two things as intimately connected. Our ruling class does the things they do to insure access to Washington DC money and the money it can create for them by passing laws and setting policies.

[DiogenesLamp]

Ping. I wanted to make you aware of the information in post 55. A famous quote by Lincoln about "corporations" has been validated as authentic.

The guy at the link actually tracked down the original source of the quote used in Jack London's "Iron Heel."

[Faith65]

Good clip of Tucker speaking truth.

[BroJoeK]

Here is David Mikkelson explaining why those alleged Lincoln words are fake:

"These words did not originate with Abraham Lincoln, however — they appear in none of his collected writings or speeches, and they did not surface until more than twenty years after his death (and were immediately denounced as a "bold, unflushing forgery" by John Nicolay, Lincoln's private secretary).
This spurious Lincoln warning gained currency during the 1896 presidential election season (when economic policy, particularly the USA's adherence to the gold standard, was the major campaign issue), and ever since then it has been cited and quoted by innumerable journalists, clergymen, congressmen, and compilers of encyclopedias.

"Pedigree for this quote is often asserted by pointing to the 1950 Lincoln Encyclopedia, compiled by Archer H. Shaw, which "authenticates" the quote by citing a purported 1864 letter from Lincoln to one Col. William F. Elkins found in Emanuel Hertz's 1931 book, Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait.
However, this source is fraudulent: the Elkins letter reproduced by Hertz was a forgery, and Shaw, a sloppy compiler, added the bogus letter to his encyclopedia (along with several other pieces of Lincoln apocrypha) without verifying its authenticity. "

"In a specific sense, this quote sounds plausible because Lincoln's tenure as president occurred during a great war that was indeed the focal point of industrial and economic change in America, and because Lincoln left behind some decidedly pro-labor statements.
As Merrill Peterson detailed:

'It was easy to understand Lincoln's appeal to social radicals, said [socialist William J.] Ghent, for he held very advanced views of the rights of labor.
As early as 1847 he had written, "To secure to each labourer the whole product of his labour, or as nearly as possible, is a most worthy object of any good government," which was remarkable for a prairie lawyer of that time.
Speaking in New England in 1860, he praised the right to strike, as then being exercised by the shoemakers of Lynn.
His clear assertion of the labor theory of value in the 1861 message — "Labor is prior to, and . . . superior to capital" — and his answers to the addresses of workingmen abroad and at home gave a color of Marxism to his thinking.
He was, surely, the best friend labor ever had in the White House.

"Nonetheless, Peterson concluded, even Lincoln's wartime experience and pro-labor credentials don't justify the attribution of the "money power" warning to him:
Nevertheless, he was no prophet.
Imprisoned in the democratic-capitalist ideology of nineteenth-century America, he believed the free laborer toiled up from poverty to become a capitalist in his own right. Individual opportunity, not class struggle, was his message."

[Faith65]

Source from Full Send Podcast, “Tucker Carlson Exposes Real Alien Evidence and Reveals the Outcome of WW3!”, March 10, 2023, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAaFEOCHE4I, clip is from 1:20:49.
He was saying this a month ago, he’s been thinking it a long time before he was fired.

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Great vid! Thanks.

[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "Do tell.
What was one of Lincoln's conservative characteristics?
Usually social upheaval, spending enormous amounts of government money, and pushing protectionism tend to be liberal positions."

Well, let's see...

1. "social upheaval" -- declaring secession and war against the United States, that's what radical Democrats did, not Republicans.

2. "spending enormous amounts of government money" -- that's what Democrats did in the four peacetime years of 1857 to 1860, doubling our National Debt as a result.

3. "pushing protectionism" is what every early President & Congress did, from Federalist Washington & Adams, to Democratics Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Adams & Jackson.
   And did you know that neither the 1860 Northern Democrat nor the Southern Democrat party platforms called for reductions in tariffs?
   Tariffs were a minor concern in 1860, regardless of how much pettifogging our Lost Causers do with it.

Conservative Republicans, like Lincoln, ran on this platform in 1860:

1. "That the maintenance of the principles promulgated in the Declaration of Independence and embodied in the Federal Constitution,
   "That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"
   is essential to the preservation of our Republican institutions; and that the Federal Constitution, the Rights of the States, and the Union of the States must and shall be preserved."

   Common sense, right? To conserve, preserve & protect ideals expressed in the Declaration & Constitution.

2. " That to the Union of the States this nation owes its unprecedented increase in population, its surprising development of material resources, its rapid augmentation of wealth, its happiness at home and its honor abroad; and we hold in abhorrence all schemes for disunion, come from whatever source they may.
   And we congratulate the country that no Republican member of Congress has uttered or countenanced the threats of disunion so often made by Democratic members, without rebuke and with applause from their political associates; and we denounce those threats of disunion, in case of a popular overthrow of their ascendency as denying the vital principles of a free government, and as an avowal of contemplated treason, which it is the imperative duty of an indignant people sternly to rebuke and forever silence."

   No secession talk for Republicans.

3. "That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the states, and especially the right of each state to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of powers on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depends; and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any state or territory, no matter under what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes."

   So states have the right to restrict or abolish slavery without outside interference from Democrats.

4. "That the present Democratic Administration has far exceeded our worst apprehensions, in its measureless subserviency to the exactions of a sectional interest, as especially evinced in its desperate exertions to force the infamous Lecompton Constitution upon the protesting people of Kansas; in construing the personal relations between master and servant to involve an unqualified property in persons; in its attempted enforcement everywhere, on land and sea, through the intervention of Congress and of the Federal Courts of the extreme pretensions of a purely local interest; and in its general and unvarying abuse of the power intrusted to it by a confiding people."

   Democrats abuse power!
   They tried to fraudulently impose a slave constitution on Kansas, they largely eliminated the rights of slaves via their SCOTUS Dred Scott opinions.
   They used Federal power to overrule local laws, i.e., on fugitive slaves.

5. "That the people justly view with alarm the reckless extravagance which pervades every department of the Federal Government; that a return to rigid economy and accountability is indispensable to arrest the systematic plunder of the public treasury by favored partisans; while the recent startling developments of frauds and corruptions at the Federal metropolis, show that an entire change of administration is imperatively demanded."

   Democrats spend too much money corruptly.

6. "That the new dogma that the Constitution, of its own force, carries slavery into any or all of the territories of the United States, is a dangerous political heresy, at variance with the explicit provisions of that instrument itself, with contemporaneous exposition, and with legislative and judicial precedent; is revolutionary in its tendency, and subversive of the peace and harmony of the country."

   Democrats falsely claim the US Constitution requires slavery in US territories.

7. "That we brand the recent reopening of the African slave trade, under the cover of our national flag, aided by perversions of judicial power, as a crime against humanity and a burning shame to our country and age; and we call upon Congress to take prompt and efficient measures for the total and final suppression of that execrable traffic"

   Democrats tried to reopen the African slave trade!!

8. "That in the recent vetoes, by their Federal Governors, of the acts of the legislatures of Kansas and Nebraska, prohibiting slavery in those territories, we find a practical illustration of the boasted Democratic principle of Non-Intervention and Popular Sovereignty, embodied in the Kansas-Nebraska Bill, and a demonstration of the deception and fraud involved therein."

   Democrats tried to deny Kansas its state's right to abolish slavery.

9. " That Kansas should, of right, be immediately admitted as a state under the Constitution recently formed and adopted by her people, and accepted by the House of Representatives."

   Kansas should be admitted as a free-state.

10. "That, while providing revenue for the support of the general government by duties upon imports, sound policy requires such an adjustment of these imports as to encourage the development of the industrial interests of the whole country; and we commend that policy of national exchanges, which secures to the workingmen liberal wages, to agriculture remunerative prices, to mechanics and manufacturers an adequate reward for their skill, labor, and enterprise, and to the nation commercial prosperity and independence."

    Protective tariffs raise wages of working Americans!

11. "That we protest against any sale or alienation to others of the public lands held by actual settlers, and against any view of the free-homestead policy which regards the settlers as paupers or suppliants for public bounty; and we demand the passage by Congress of the complete and satisfactory homestead measure which has already passed the House."

    Congress should protect western homesteaders.

12. "hat the Republican party is opposed to any change in our naturalization laws or any state legislation by which the rights of citizens hitherto accorded to immigrants from foreign lands shall be abridged or impaired; and in favor of giving a full and efficient protection to the rights of all classes of citizens, whether native or naturalized, both at home and abroad."

    Immigrant citizens should have the same rights as naturla born citizens, i.e., the right not to be deported unjustly.

13. "That appropriations by Congress for river and harbor improvements of a national character, required for the accommodation and security of an existing commerce, are authorized by the Constitution, and justified by the obligation of Government to protect the lives and property of its citizens."

    Infrastructure spending is authorized by the US Constitution.

14. "That appropriations by Congress for river and harbor improvements of a national character, required for the accommodation and security of an existing commerce, are authorized by the Constitution, and justified by the obligation of Government to protect the lives and property of its citizens."

    Washington, DC, should help with building a transcontinental railroad and in the meantime also support pony express.

Those ideas define what the words "conservative Republican" meant in 1860 and when updated to mo0dern times, what they mean today.

[DiogenesLamp]

"Pedigree for this quote is often asserted by pointing to the 1950 Lincoln Encyclopedia, compiled by Archer H. Shaw, which "authenticates" the quote by citing a purported 1864 letter from Lincoln to one Col. William F. Elkins found in Emanuel Hertz's 1931 book, Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait.

I've been poking around in Emanuel Hertz's book, "Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait."

I do not find any reference in that book to Col. William F. Elkins. I do not find any reference to "Elkins" at all.

Is your David Mikkelson mistaken, or is he lying? Maybe I have the wrong book. I do find the quote attributed to Lincoln about corporations.

In any case, it doesn't do well to cite someone who has got a basic fact wrong. It looks like he didn't bother to verify his claim.

Here is the text I have found.

https://archive.org/stream/abrahamlincolnne02hert/abrahamlincolnne02hert_djvu.txt

[DiogenesLamp]

"social upheaval" -- declaring secession and war against the United States, that's what radical Democrats did, not Republicans.

That is POLITICAL upheaval. It changes not one jot of how society then existed.

"spending enormous amounts of government money" -- that's what Democrats did in the four peacetime years of 1857 to 1860, doubling our National Debt as a result.

On what did they spend it? Railroads, Canals, Shipping and government bureaucrats? Mostly for the North?

And did you know that neither the 1860 Northern Democrat nor the Southern Democrat party platforms called for reductions in tariffs?

Referring to the "tariff of abominations" doesn't count?

[DiogenesLamp]

William F. Elkins was a real person.

WILLIAM F. ELKINS was born in Kentucky in 1792. He went to Sangamon County, Illinois, in 1825. In 1828, 1836, and 1838 he was elected to the legislature. In 1831 he raised a company for the Black Hawk War, and was its captain. In 1861 President Lincoln appointed him Register of the United States Land Office at Springfield, an office which he held until 1872, when he resigned. He died at Decatur, Illinois, 1880.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/14319/14319-h/14319-h.htm#fig311-3

[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "I've been poking around in Emanuel Hertz's book, "Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait."
I do not find any reference in that book to Col. William F. Elkins.
I do not find any reference to "Elkins" at all."

Here is a reviewer named Rich Buhler who claims the Lincoln quote is legitimate and references Emanuel Hertz as the source:

"The quote can be found on page 954 of the second volume of “Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait,” a Lincoln biography written in 1931 by Emanuel Hertz.
The quote appears in a letter from Abraham Lincoln to Col. William F. Elkins dated November 21, 1864:"

Buhler goes on to explain:

"Lincoln’s long lost quote has gotten a lot of airplay over the years from those who believe that Lincoln’s prophecy about capitalism in America, and an unprecedented concentration of wealth resulting from “corruption in high places” has sadly come true.
It’s made the rounds in countless chain emails and in discussion forum posts over the years."

Buhler's search lead him to Emmanuel Hertz's books and:

"There’s been a lot of debate about whether or not the quote actually came from Lincoln.
Author David Korten, for example, attributed the same quote to Harvey Wasserman in his 1995 book “When Corporations Rule the World.”
But Rick Crawford, a member of UC Davis’s computer science department, squirreled away in the university’s library until he found the definitive answer.
Crawford explained that his research revealed that author Emanuel Hertz wrote that many popular accounts of Lincoln came from William H. Herndon (Lincoln’s lifelong law partner), and that Herndon said these accounts offered a “sanitized” portrayal of Lincoln and made him out to be a “wax figure”:"

So, Buhler leads to Hertz who says that much of what's known about Lincoln came from his law partner, William Herndon, thus implying that this quote also came from Herndon.

Herndon is quoted by Hertz as saying about other Lincoln biographies:

"They are aiming, first, to do a superb piece of literary work; second, to make the story WITH THE CLASSES AS AGAINST THE MASSES. [Buhler's emphasis added]
It will result in delineating the real Lincoln about as well as does a wax figure in the museum."

So Buhler concludes the Lincoln quote is legitimate, but the sum total of his evidence for that is what you see here.

David Mikkelson says the quote's source is:

"Pedigree for this quote is often asserted by pointing to the 1950 Lincoln Encyclopedia, compiled by Archer H. Shaw, which "authenticates" the quote by citing a purported 1864 letter from Lincoln to one Col. William F. Elkins found in Emanuel Hertz's 1931 book, Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait.
However, this source is fraudulent: the Elkins letter reproduced by Hertz was a forgery, and Shaw, a sloppy compiler, added the bogus letter to his encyclopedia (along with several other pieces of Lincoln apocrypha) without verifying its authenticity."

Nor does Buhler address this from Mikkelsen:

"These words did not originate with Abraham Lincoln, however — they appear in none of his collected writings or speeches, and they did not surface until more than twenty years after his death (and were immediately denounced as a "bold, unflushing forgery" by John Nicolay, Lincoln's private secretary)."

So, where Mikkelson says the quote is a flat-out forgery and denounced as such by Lincoln's secretary John Nicolay, Buhler implies the quote originated with Lincoln's law partner William Herndon about whom Buhler says:

"By all accounts, Herndon was scrupulously honest and plainspoken."

Sure, maybe, an one time.
However, by the time of Herndon's books on Lincoln (1889), Herndon himself was debilitated by alcoholism and under the influence of an interloper named Jessie Weik.
And since this alleged quote is found nowhere else, we can well suppose it was introduced by a politically active Weik, not by drunken Herndon.

Bottom line: those who assert the quote's authenticity rely on a sloppy compiler named Shaw in 1950, who is said to have taken the quote from Emanuel Hertz's 1931 book which apparently sourced Herndon's 1889 books on Lincoln, written by Jessie Weik.

Those who say the quote is fake note that the supposed letter to Col. Elkins was immediately denounced as a forgery, by Lincoln's secretary, John Nicolay, when it first appeared, apparently in Herndon's 1889 biography of Lincoln.

[zzeeman]

They are not a news station.

That's right... chiefly a propaganda outlet... with revenue raising as a side business...

[zzeeman]

As always, you are righter than rain, my FRiend.

[vivenne]

Agree.

[9YearLurker]

The dude admits to applying directly to the CIA, for whom his father purportedly worked, and was admittedly part of his buddy Hunter’s laptop hush-hush for the 2020 election.