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A plausible plan to end the carnage in Ukraine
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Posted on 03/19/2023 8:46:27 PM PDT by ganeemead

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To: Rockingham
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/european-review/article/abs/russians-as-asiatics-memory-about-the-present/D2E4D5A6721A5B2D69DFA41025841F1D

Russians as Asiatics: Memory about the Present
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 31 January 2013
Dmitry Shlapentokh

Abstract
History as recorded very often follows the desire of political pragmatists. Nineteenth-century French views of Russia are a good example. France was in conflict with Russia through most of that century. As racism grew across Europe, French historians presented Russians as brutish Asiatics and a mortal threat to civilized Europe. The Russo-French alliance in 1894 changed these views, but the stereotypes continued to hibernate in the collective subconscious of the West to be resurrected in times of political expediency.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/european-review/article/abs/russians-as-asiatics-memory-about-the-present/D2E4D5A6721A5B2D69DFA41025841F1D

41 posted on 03/20/2023 8:40:50 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: pierrem15
"Kiev is already in a much better position than a year ago."


42 posted on 03/20/2023 8:50:04 AM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: ganeemead
The Ukrainians hold a lot more territory than they did a year ago, right? After adding 250k troops in the fall, Russia has gained only about 75 to 100 square miles around Bakhmut and Avdivka and got its butt kicked at Vuhledar, right?

It's telling that you have to resort to a fantasy character and an ad hominem argument because reality simply doesn't correspond to your beliefs.

43 posted on 03/20/2023 9:00:08 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: DannyTN
"Not that Ukraine would ever stoop as low as Russia has during this war."

This is pretty low...


44 posted on 03/20/2023 9:02:31 AM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: Rockingham
You make a shrewd point: having committed to imperial aggression, Putin and the Russian elite have no alternative policy or strategy and cannot imagine or think their way toward one.

I think it's worse than that. "Committed" implies making a choice. IMO Rusia's form of imperialism is, to quote a Klingon Captain in Star Trek TNG, "bred in the bone". Or (staying with Star Trek paraphrasals), it is far easier for a civilized man to behave like a barbarian, than for a barbarian to behave like a civilized man. The latter is not a choice, the "barbarian" simply has not evolved the capacity to think like a civilized man. Pooty and his crowd literally lack the ability* & experience to pursue a course other than imperial aggression to counter what they see as a socio-economic threat.

Putin could have chosen something more like the Chinese model of 1980 to approx. 2010, but hasn't. The model of, say, Poland, has been successful too, while remaining fairly socially conservative. Instead, Putin's Russia stays "old school Russia." And a lot of Russians are fine with that.

*"Bred in the bone"? Well, until a few days ago I'd have thought that did not actually mean a genetic disposition, but, have you seen the work being done that has found a "friendliness gene" in dogs, but it's not in other canines? But, that gene IS found in a genetic mutation discovered in "excessively friendly" humans!

45 posted on 03/20/2023 12:38:34 PM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Paul R.

“Russia’s form...”


46 posted on 03/20/2023 12:39:56 PM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Your plan to submit in advance to the wishes of any countries that have nukes is not a good plan.


47 posted on 03/20/2023 2:35:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ganeemead

It is public ridicule and humiliation.


48 posted on 03/20/2023 2:37:42 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ganeemead

Actually, it can be anything, so far all I have found is an internet meme photo, no source for what kind of protest she is doing or whatever.


49 posted on 03/20/2023 2:44:00 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Paul R.; All
"Russia's form:

This is the massive Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow that the commies had destroyed and that Putin has had rebuilt:

When was the last time anybody in North America or Europe built a new cathedral??

50 posted on 03/20/2023 2:44:40 PM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: Paul R.
You have a point. The former intelligence chief of one of the Baltic republics said the same thing to a reporter, that in his experience Russians are by nature violent, thuggish, and stubborn.

I surmise that this comes less from the genetics of Russians than from Russian culture and history. Most likely, within a decade or two, increasingly detailed genetic studies will offer a more grounded answer as to potential connections between national character and genetics. I expect that any such connections will be tenuous.

51 posted on 03/20/2023 4:05:41 PM PDT by Rockingham
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