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To: Kazan

- when East and West Germany reunited (with resultant NATO expansion), Reagan made a deal with Gorbachev, that if the USSR did not push back on German reunification, then NATO would not expand into Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Poland.

- along comes Bill Clinton, who pushes NATO expansion into Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Poland and the Bear is further provoked.

- Obama stages coup in Ukraine 2014, which forced over 2 million ukranian refugees into Russia and removed a duly elected president.

- Ukrainian army proceeds to murder over 14,000 ethnic Russians in the eastern Donbass region.

- surprise surprise Biden presses NATO expansion into Ukraine with further provocations by Sweden and Finland joining NATO, which is currently being discussed.

- Biden destroys the Nordstream 2 pipeline and blames it on Russia. The first time the U.S. has attacked the major infrastructure of an ally (Germany). A further major provocation.

- just imagine if the Chinese CCP conducted similar actions along the Canadian and Mexican borders. Would we accept Chinese military bases with nukes along our borders? This is what Putin was forced to deal with when Biden threatened NATO expansion into Ukraine.

- Russia, China, and a number of other major nations refuse to participate in the western (U.S. led) globalism movement. Putin is standing in the way


8 posted on 03/09/2023 9:47:55 AM PST by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

Your post is great summary on our foreign policy since the end of the Cold War.


14 posted on 03/09/2023 10:00:37 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

Reagan made no such promise. Bush did because that’s when the wall fell and German reunification became possible.

Subsequent to any verbal agreements with Gorbachev, the USSR collapsed. Russians like to go on about NATO and what x, y, z politician assured USSR politicians but the fact is that the USSR does not exist.

Those refugees were caused by Russia’s intervention. This is not a vacuum where the USSR and then Russia are blameless, helpless parties.

Sweden and Finland are joining NATO because of what Russia has done. Russia has only itself to blame for them joining NATO. Russia has made an alliance that was increasingly relevant quite relevant again. Quite the feat for Putin.


22 posted on 03/09/2023 10:12:01 AM PST by jimnm
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

Chauncey, Now be careful with that talk. Facts don’t work here. You’ll be accused of being a stooge for Pooty-Poot-Put by one of our FR resident experts on how to foment WWIII. They just can’t wrap their pea brains around the notion of buffer states between Western European NATO states and Russia. I wouldn’t even mention questioning the need for NATO after the fall of the Berlin Wall. That type of idea exploration is treasonous to the Military Industrial Complex.


29 posted on 03/09/2023 10:26:13 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Stupidly is a moral problem, not an intellectual problem. )
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

You summarized it perfectly. Thank you.

Now Russia is allowed free pay back for what the evil treacherous Puppet regime did to them. The world community would not blame them for getting even.

It would be a shame if they decided to take out DC or the New York Times building. Fair is fair.


30 posted on 03/09/2023 10:35:16 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

bump


38 posted on 03/09/2023 1:52:35 PM PST by Pelham
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