>>>>voter fraud
>>Are you aware Trump collected $250 Million under the pretense it would be used to secure elections, but has since used that money for everything else under the sun except securing elections?
How exactly does one go about securing elections?
I am aware that the so-called J6 “Destroy Trump” Committee, along with NPR, NYT, Newsweak, and a gazillion other left wing propaganda outlets, accused him of wrongdoing in that fundraiser. I am also aware that the fund-raising emails said that a large portion would go to the Save America PAC, which it did (That PAC targeted Liz Cheney for defeat. Good job!) I am also aware that every left-wing political outlet hates the Save America PAC, which seems to indicate the PAC is supporting conservative policies, including fighting voter fraud. I have read that one of reason for the PAC is to provide an avenue for Trump supporters to receive and control conservative donations, rather than the RNC.
Where do you get your information?
>>I defended him here in January of 2021, when some Freepers were claiming that Trump would sneak off with that money and do nothing to secure elections, but turns out they were right, which played a big part in me no longer trusting Trump.
I guess it all boils down to who do you trust? I trust Trump because he has a 40 year track record of supporting America and the Constitution. I also recognize he did a wonderful job as president, despite him and some of his team members being targeted and smeared by every branch of the deep state, including the media and some foreign players. Moreso, he performed his economic recovery without a supporting Attorney General, who bailed on Trump almost as soon as he took office (Sessions.)
Trump has a long track record of supporting the needy behinds-the-scenes when the cameras are off, and he worked for nothing as President, donating his salary to needy causes. Name one President other than Trump (and perhaps Harry Truman) who left the presidency worse off financially than when he entered office. In contrast, Obama inherited a $60 million book deal from Pearson Publishing, the same Pearson Publishing that received a $350 million publishing contract from the Obama administration for Common Core books. How ironic is that?
>>>>endless litigation
>>So Trump is 100% innocent in your eyes, on everything he’s being investigated over right now?
Thus far, yes. I suspect he will be 100% exonerated. Trump is not stupid; he knew he would be targeted by the crony-capitalist gangster class, and thus he knew he had to remain “squeaky clean” if he ever decided to run for president. By “squeaky clean,” I mean to dot every “i” and cross every “t”. Think about it: after years of being investigated by the most corrupt jackasses in government, there is still no conviction? Perhaps they will get a conviction on Trump for jaywalking. That scheme worked well against Ashli Babbit’s mom.
>>You have no issue with him asking the Governor of Georgia to “recalculate”and “find” him 11,000 votes?”
None whatsoever. Another mountain out of a molehill.
>>No issues with him taking classified documents home he claims he declassified, but never submitted any documentation for any of it?
If I didn’t know better, I would think I was reading NPR propaganda. According to Trump officials, Trump declassified all of those documents, which he had every right to do; and they were stored in a safe place in his home under lock and key (the FBI was well-aware of that fact.) You have been drinking the deep-state Koolaid. Sad.
>>No issues with disrupting the electoral college vote when he already knew the vote count and that Pence wasn’t going to stretch the interpretation of the Constitution in ways even evil Democrats hadn’t tried yet?
Have you ever read this? U.S. Constitution, Section 4 - Republican government: “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government”
A republican form of government means, among other things, each citizen shall cast one vote (and one vote only) for each of their senators, for their respective representatives, and for the President, as well as in state and local elections. If there is any evidence of voter fraud in a state, that state’s electors cannot be lawfully certified. There was massive, documented voter fraud in the 2020 and 2022 elections. Certainly you are aware of that fact.
>>What about the woman accusing him of rape, who bears such a resemblance to Trump’s first wife he couldn’t tell the difference in pictures of them during his deposition?
Have any men been falsely accused of rape? Considering the media circus that plagued Trump, is possible he was falsely accused? Just asking...
>> Just walk up, and grab them by the _____ right? Isn’t that his famous quote? Sound like satan, or are you still insisting that’s DeSantis?”
That is run-of-the-mill “locker room” talk.
>>>>even buying the support of a well-known conservative to oppose him.
>>So you’re still not willing to admit that DeSantis is to the right of Trump, on vaccines, lockdowns, LGBTQ support, deficit spending, etc? You can’t accept that DeSantis and others like me might have left Trump over the issues?
No, I am saying that DeSantis’ list of supporters is not what would be expected of a conservative candidate.
>>>>he is the only one who is not beholden to the left (which includes RINOs) — that is, he cannot be bought!
>>Trump’s has been completely dependent on foreign banks financing him, through countless bankruptcies. Duestche Bank has been his main source, from Germany, well known for Russian investors and money laundering. George Soros, the Rothschilds, all prominent in bailing Trump out or financing his new buildings. Even the Chinese helped setup his new Truth Social company, does that sound like someone who is independently wealthy? No, because he is not, it’s simply another fable he’s built around himself.
You have every left-wing talking point down pat.
>>>>Perhaps DeSatan was a little harsh.
>>A little, when compared to the narcissistic serial adulterer married 3 times now Trump? Who said in an interview he never asks for forgiveness? Who even thinks something like that, much less say it out loud?
The fourth Rule for Radicals is:
“Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”
You learned well.
>>>>Do I blame Trump. Hell no! I blame the bioweapon labs, that is, those who own and operate them.
>>I’m glad you were able to recover. However, why are you not outraged that gain of function research was re-instated in 2018 under Trump’s administration? Why are you not outraged that he’s never even mentioned the words “gain of function” but has instead only ever tried to blame China, when they were doing contract work for HIS administration?”
On whose orders was the “gain of function” research reinstated? This Lancet article on rescinding the ban doesn’t mention Trump; but it does mention the bureaucratic NIH:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099%2818%2930006-9/fulltext
>>Why are you not outraged that he never issued an EO to block gain of function?
I seriously doubt he knew what it was. Builders typically do not keep up with the science-of-the-day.
>>And are you aware he tried to install Bill Gates as the Chief Scientist of the White House? Gates turned him down, but Trump tried.
LOL! That conversation occurred in 2018 (pre-pandemic) in which the topic of the vacant position of science advisor came up. Gates conceded that he was not sure if the offer was serious, or not. According to Gates, “I didn’t put him to the test, whether that was a serious thing or not. He probably himself didn’t know if he was serious. It was a friendly thing. He was being friendly.”
>>>>If he is in bed with those financially backing him, which appears to be so
>>Based on what? I just gave you specific examples of Trump’s FOREIGN sources of all his money, including George Soros. Your phantom donors to DeSantis are worse?
Soros gave money to many GOP candidates. How much did he give to Trump’s campaign? Let me help you out. Of the $7 million George Soros donated in the 2016 presidential election, he gave 100% to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
Regarding DeSantis, George Soros labeled him “shrewed, ruthless, and ambitious.” Soros predicted that if DeSantis and Trump “slug it out” in the presidential race, the democrats would win in a landslide. Does Soros want DeSantis to run? You figure it out.
>>You are really going to try to claim Trump has lived a more morally Biblical life than DeSantis? How?”
Trump’s life is an open book, including his role as a master builder. I know virtually nothing about DeSantis’ past, except that he was a lawyer.
I thought you wanted to discuss the Bible? LOL!
Mr. Kalamata
>>>> How exactly does one go about securing elections?
Wow. After you spent post after post, trying to claim that Trump is the most superhuman incomparable politician without equal, you’re now reduced to this, in defense of Trump taking that $250M meant for election security and spending it feeding his ego instead.
To secure elections, you have to work on it, not just whine, like Trump. You do like DeSantis did in Florida, working to change the laws through partnerships in government. Since Trump has alienated most everyone, and has no real partners anymore, he could at least create an organization like True the Vote, which works to secure elections. Or at least donate to them. But nah, this is Trump, so that money is all going to build up his phony image instead.
>>>>I am also aware that the fund-raising emails said that a large portion would go to the Save America PAC, which it did.
It was deceitful. Read it for yourself:
The ‘big rip-off’: how Trump exploited his fans with ‘election defense’ fund
“Friend,” it began. “The Democrats are trying to STEAL the Election. I’ve activated the Official Election Defense Fund and I need EVERY PATRIOT, including YOU, to step up and make sure we have enough resources to PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTION.”
Over the next nine weeks Trump bombarded his loyal followers with a blitzkrieg of emails, sometimes 25 in a single day.
They were sent under several different names – from Trump himself, his sons Don Jr and Eric, the former speaker of the House of Representatives Newt Gingrich, the current chair of the Republican National Committee Ronna McDaniel, and then vice-president Mike Pence.
Despite the nuances, all the millions of emails sent out from the @victory.donaldtrump.com address essentially said the same thing. They exhorted Trump supporters to back the “Official Election Defense Fund” with their hard-earned dollars.
>>>> Where do you get your information?
As I said, it was being discussed here in January of 2021, and like you are now, I was under Trump’s spell at the time, and argued with other posters that Trump would never steal that money. How wrong I was, just as you are now. Articles like this were already out way back then:
Trump Raised $250 Million Since Election To Challenge Outcome—Here’s Where Most Of The Money Will Actually Go
Jan 31, 2021
>>>> NPR propaganda...every left-wing talking point...Rule for Radicals...
Nope, I am attacking Trump from the RIGHT, not left. I don’t approve of his big government, big spending, LGBTQ agenda built on lies and stealing donations you are so proud of. I find it appalling, and insulting.
>>>> On whose orders was the “gain of function” research reinstated?
The White House ultimately has control over that decision, via the Chief Scientist and HHS Secretary. It was made at near the exact time that Trump was courting Bill Gates for the Chief Scientist role at the White House.
>>>> I seriously doubt he knew what it was.
Once again, your superhero idol is reduced to ignorance below the average Freeper, as we were discussing that issue hot and heavy every day here at that time. Even the dementia patient Biden knows what gain of function is, yet Trump doesn’t? How pathetic must Trump be, even in your eyes, to be so ignorant on such an important topic?
Biden Still Supports Gain-of-Function Research Despite Potential Covid Links
>>>> Soros gave money to many GOP candidates. How much did he give to Trump’s campaign?
Try $160M to help fund Trump’s Chicago tower. Yet you so far have NOTHING but empty claims on DeSantis. NOTHING.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-10-28-0410280265-story.html
Donald Trump has lined up three New York hedge funds, including money from billionaire George Soros, to invest $160 million in his Chicago skyscraper, a key piece in perhaps the largest construction financing in the city’s history, according to real estate sources and public documents.
>>>> desperate troll
Desperate? All I’ve done is compile a book of the lies and sins of Donald Trump, that you will excuse no matter what. I haven’t even mentioned his well known and admitted close friendship with Jeffery Epstein, and the fact the main witness against him was recruited right there in Mar-a-Lago, but I’m sure your denial runs deep for that whole escapade too. Trump even appointed Alex Azar into his cabinet, who was most famous for letting Epstein off in Florida for the original child sex charges. Small world, huh.
>>>> Everything claim you make against Trump is a well-established left-wing talking point.
I’m coming from the right my friend, every thing I have listed is an anathema to Christian and conservative values. You’re the one defending the lifelong liberal from New York and all his fancy lies, not me.
>>>> Again, Trump has a sense of humor, and you do not.
Oh, so know you’re even willing to defend Trump’s talk of murder in the street, and how his supporters are so brainwashed they would still support him. Obviously we have you as Exhibit A. As I said, my disdain for Trump is from my Christian conservative background, and I would never defend a statement made like that from a politician, I don’t care who they are. They are elected to defend the laws of the country, ideally the laws of the Bible. Yet you support him making a mockery of both.
Reply or not, I am done with this thread. There is nothing else to be gained debating with you, being someone who would excuse Trump for shooting someone in the street, just as he demands. The people that defend such sinful talk upset me almost as much as the glutton himself. Good day.