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All Seeing Eye: Can Russia Break Through The West's ISR Overmatch?
Simplicius The Thinker Substack ^ | 2/16/2023 | Simplicius The Thinker

Posted on 02/27/2023 2:19:20 PM PST by frithguild

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To: ansel12

I have never considered the question, given that the AFU is the combatant. I posted the article here because I believe the better we understand what is actually happening, with information that is more than propaganda, the better our decision making is. So I guess my answer is I don’t really care because the only measurement I care about is how quickly we can get to the end of systems and their advancements being actively employed.


21 posted on 02/27/2023 4:29:14 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: buwaya
In conventional doctrine (both NATO and Cold War Soviet) artillery is meant to suppress enemy positions in order for the attacker to penetrate his defenses, break through and exploit into maneuver warfare. Artillery is not supposed to bombard for months on end.

Damn Russians violating doctrine. They are paying for it with dead Ukrainians everywhere. Blowing up the whole countryside to kill people is against the laws of war. It's just not on.

22 posted on 02/27/2023 4:32:19 PM PST by AndyJackson (.)
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To: frithguild

So you don’t care if Russia learns to overcome our defenses and military capabilities.

That is all I was asking.


23 posted on 02/27/2023 4:34:42 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

I dont care if it leads to the end of the fighting was my answer


24 posted on 02/27/2023 4:38:42 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: AndyJackson

The damned Russians also had the same doctrine as the “west”, carried over from the Soviets. Maneuver warfare was the whole point of their initial BTG (battalion tactical group) organization evident in Feb-March 2022, self contained units oriented to exploitation.

That didn’t work for them, for many reasons, so bombardment was the fallback. These artillery tactics are the result of failure. They failed to win through maneuver so they have been trying to win through attrition.

For what it’s worth I doubt the attrition tactics are working. We will find out eventually.


25 posted on 02/27/2023 4:38:52 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

Russians are utterly incompetent especially when it comes to air defense. That is why are a building the B-21. Apparently despite the utter incompetence of the Russians there is growing concern that the B-2 cannot penetrate those air defenses.


26 posted on 02/27/2023 4:47:30 PM PST by AndyJackson (.)
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I hope it never comes to deploying B-2s over Russia. They should be unnecessary in that role, unless things have gone very badly.


27 posted on 02/27/2023 4:50:44 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

That is what they were designed for.


28 posted on 02/27/2023 4:53:33 PM PST by AndyJackson (.)
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To: frithguild

Any gains Russia makes in defeating our defenses and military advantages will remain, regardless of where or when they accomplish them.


29 posted on 02/27/2023 4:53:48 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: frithguild

I remember when it was just CC.


30 posted on 02/27/2023 5:00:18 PM PST by fruser1
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To: ansel12
Any gains Russia makes in defeating our defenses and military advantages will remain, regardless of where or when they accomplish them.

A good reason not to continue the hostilities which excercise formerly dissused muscle, which our neocons in State/DOD/CIA do not seem to realize. Their stupidity led directly to the Russian development and deployment of the The deployment of the Iskander-M, the RS-28, the Status-6 strategic torpedo and the Kinzhal. Wunderwaffen? Maybe - I hope to never have an aswer to that question. So yes, I agree that an advantage gained remains.

31 posted on 02/27/2023 5:32:46 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: buwaya
These artillery tactics are the result of failure.

you posted this same theme in one of our conversations several weeks ago and I didn't understand why. I knew you were right when the Russian mechanized advance on vuledar got clobbered. ‘Five Eyes’ infrastructure feeding data to AFU Nettle now makes total sense.

32 posted on 02/27/2023 5:40:38 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild

No wonder you didn’t want to answer the question about America or Russia.


33 posted on 02/27/2023 5:44:19 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

So policies that encourage development of weapons systems by potential adversaries and start and continue forever, proxy wars are good things to yor way of thinking. Well then, we disagree.


34 posted on 02/27/2023 6:30:46 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild

That was gibberish.


35 posted on 02/27/2023 6:35:47 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

True


36 posted on 02/27/2023 7:53:08 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild

Interrupt Service Routine?


37 posted on 02/27/2023 8:55:35 PM PST by GingisK
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