Posted on 02/24/2023 2:47:42 PM PST by frithguild
Yeah they actually were before the communist revolution. They sided with us in the civil war and sent their fleet to protect us from a British incursion on behalf of the south. During the Soviet era they sucked.
After the Soviet collapse the offered numerous hands of friendship were slapped away with sneering disdain.
Putin was the first leader to call Bush after 9/11. He didn’t just offer condolences and prayers, but offered free immediate Treaty free use of old Soviet air bases surrounding Afghanistan. When are Pakistani allies would not let us move cargo into Afghanistan, Putin let our cargo arrive at Baltic ports and move on Russian rail all the way across the country down to Afghanistan. They warned us repeatedly about the Boston bombers. They were good partners in the space program when the shuttle failed and eventually retired.
They let us crawl through Soviet KGB archives in astonishing detail. They let us crawl all over their nuclear arsenal nationwide. Putin warned us in massive detail about not following the Soviet descent into socialist madness.
They went on a church building spree rebuilding and consecrating churches destroy by the Soviets. Putin released a document where Stalin ordered the C Katyn forest murders, was the first Russian leader to openly admit it was true, and ordered the polish movie Katyn to be showed on all Russian public TV networks in a big event. They offered to send their efforts to help restore Notre Dame. They offered their giant fire tanker for use and were refused.
But the one thing he didn’t allow was for the west to install who they wanted and for us to repeat the western plunder of the 90s.
And now thanks to the neocons and bankers, we finally have the war they always dreamed of. But yes, except for the Soviet era they have tried several times to show goodwill and friendship.
Hell, an argument can be made that the Czars order of the breaktop 44 saved Smith and Wesson.
That’s all for their experts. For Notre Dame. And offered their giant air tanker for western forest fires in the United States.
My Grandfather was born in Kiev in the 1890s but considered himself Russian. His family was attacked in the Bolshevik Revolution. (And as a kid sat through many, many Russian Orthodox masses! UGH!)
Are there Ukrainian/ Russian people who would rather be part of Russia than Ukraine (i.e. Crimea)?
Let’s not forget that the previous President saw the benefit in having the Russians be a bit more receptive to the US, instead of the real bad guy, China.
As Pres Trump said, there’s no reason to have them as our enemy.
And now they’re being shoved into the arms of China.
Wasn’t there a time, not long ago where tensions were very high between Chinese and Russian troops on their border?
As I understand it, you can draw a line through Zhitomir and Vinnista and everything to the right if that is basically Russian. To the left you have Volhynia, Galicia, Bucovina and Transcarpathia, which all at certain times were a part of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, Austria Hungary and Romania. The politics of these areas are far different than the rest. That they have no love for Russia is clear. The coup the US engineered was certain to out people from these areas in charge.
You wrote: “The leading cheerleaders for the war against Russia all have a common background.” You mean, the background is Jewish. Say it loud and proud, don’t be shy!
So, in your enlightened opinion, the Jews forced Russia to invade Ukraine, kill thousands of people, destroy 20% of the country, forced millions out of their homes and commit multiple crimes against humanity. Where and when did we hear this argument before?
That’s my point.
I think you indicated that Russia would/could never be a friend of the United States ?
Not all nationalists are good. Putin was a communist before he was a nationalist (if that's what he became). Zelensky is also a nationalist with respect to Russian domination of his country.
Your paranoia is blasting !
Russia is a challenger, but it doesn’t have to be an enemy, unless we are aiming for complete global power (which we’ll never have). A wiser administration would manage this competition and focus on more important problems.
I could call him "Putin" if you like.
What? No, I merely meant they are all fairly recent European immigrants from areas controlled by the Russian empire. And they have deep family personal axes to grind from the old country. And they are determined to make their angry memories America’s problem. Cubans are the same. Ditto for Somalis and moslems of all stripes.
You must be some kinda anti-semite to think I was speaking of Jews. Are they all Jewish? Interesting.
And of course, all are committed neocons.
But hey, you do you boo.
These degenerate psychopaths are going to get us all killed unless something is done.
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