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Federal Court Strikes Down Ban on 2A Rights Based on Restraining Order
AmmoLand ^ | February 15, 2023 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 02/21/2023 4:30:09 AM PST by marktwain

A federal district court in the United States District Court, Eastern District of Kentucky, Central Division (at Lexington), has held a ban on the exercise of Second Amendment rights for a mere domestic restraining order  18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8 is unconstitutional.

On June 15, 2022, A Harrison County Family Court in Kentucky issued a Domestic Violence Order (DVO), a restraining order, against Sherman Kelvin Combs. In Kentucky, the DVO procedures do not require council (an attorney) to be appointed for respondents or a jury resolve factual issues.

A few days later, it is alleged Combs purchased a .357 revolver from a federally licensed dealer. Combs indicated, on Form 4473, that he was not subject to a DVO (domestic violence restraining order).

Combs was charged, in federal court, with two counts. The first was possessing a firearm in violation of  18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8). The second was for lying on Form 4473. The maximum penalty for each count is ten years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

The actual wording of 18 U.S.C. §922(g)(8) is this:

(g) It shall be unlawful for any person-

(8) who is subject to a court order that-

(A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had an opportunity to participate; 

(B) restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child; and 


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It seems likely the Supreme Court will find using a restraining order to ban rights protected by the Second Amendment to be unconstitutional.
1 posted on 02/21/2023 4:30:09 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“In Kentucky, the DVO procedures do not require council (an attorney)...”

Or “counsel.” Spell checking is not proofreading. Ugh.


2 posted on 02/21/2023 4:36:43 AM PST by cdcdawg (Hoes mad! LOL! )
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To: marktwain

Wouldn’t it be great if our laws that work to go after a regular guy would work to go after Hunter Biden who lied on his gun purchasing form? It is amazing how brazen our government has gotten in their two tier legal system.


3 posted on 02/21/2023 5:18:56 AM PST by JoJo354 (We need to get to work, Conservatives!)
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To: marktwain

shall not be infringed may have something to do with it.


4 posted on 02/21/2023 5:33:04 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: teeman8r

Bflr


5 posted on 02/21/2023 5:51:33 AM PST by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: marktwain; mylife; Joe Brower; MaxMax; Randy Larsen; waterhill; Envisioning; AZ .44 MAG; umgud; ...

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6 posted on 02/21/2023 6:23:32 AM PST by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: marktwain

“The federal judge for the United States District Court, Eastern District of Kentucky, Central Division (at Lexington), held count one is unconstitutional, but count two is still material, in part because the dealer could not make an informed decision because the dealer was lied to; and the dealer could decide whether to sell Combs a firearm or not, even if Combs was not prohibited from purchasing and possessing firearms by federal law.”

Oh, so will we now be required to disclose everything that could help dealers make an “informed decision”? Do I need to disclose to them that I stole from the cookie jar once when I was six?


7 posted on 02/21/2023 8:38:05 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman; marktwain

I’d say the question on the form is improper if it is not a valid reason to deny. But, then again, the entire form is improper when NICS only requires a name to perform a check. If the purchaser is not prohibited, it’s nobody’s business where he lives or what he purchased.


8 posted on 02/21/2023 11:11:34 AM PST by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: cdcdawg
Or “counsel.” Spell checking is not proofreading. Ugh.

LOL. Truth.

9 posted on 02/21/2023 11:24:36 AM PST by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: marktwain

After 25 years, we finally see a ray of light. Now toss the VAWA altogether.

The Emerson Case
http://www.ejfi.org/emerson.htm


10 posted on 02/21/2023 12:28:22 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: marktwain

One of my friends got busted for buying a gun with a restraining order on him.


11 posted on 02/21/2023 12:53:29 PM PST by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: familyop

Great write-up.

The Lautenberg amendment has been used as hammer against men, almost exclusively, for 36 years. It has been a travesty.


12 posted on 02/21/2023 1:12:49 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Yes, I was a little short with writing “25 years.” Looks like it was part of the push for the VAWA but added to the Federal Gun Control Act instead in 1996. About 28 years, maybe?


13 posted on 02/21/2023 2:22:36 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: marktwain

Or 27 years: 1996 to 2023?


14 posted on 02/21/2023 2:23:36 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: familyop
Yes, my quick math added 10 years!

Good catch. Many people pointed out the insanity at the time. We did not yet have Heller. The lower courts acted as if the Second Amendment did not exist, and men were second class citizens.

All of this fed by Media mantra of the need to destroy the traditional family and to destroy the idea of men as a necessary part of society. (all the while denying this is what was happening.)

15 posted on 02/21/2023 2:26:57 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Or over 26 years? Looks like it became law September 30, 1996.

https://usacac.army.mil/sites/default/files/documents/sja/lautenberg.pdf


16 posted on 02/21/2023 2:28:07 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: marktwain

“All of this fed by Media mantra of the need to destroy the traditional family and to destroy the idea of men as a necessary part of society. (all the while denying this is what was happening.)”

Yes. So you knew what was going on. I wrote a few articles back then.


17 posted on 02/21/2023 2:34:45 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: familyop

I accused Senator Jon Kyle of neglecting his oath of office, on a live radio show, about it. His response, reasonably close, but not an exact quote: “Not my job, man. That is the job of the Supreme Court...”


18 posted on 02/21/2023 2:55:34 PM PST by marktwain
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