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Oh it’s time for the Ukrainian propaganda show!

It’s disgusting you people try to equate Putin with Hitler because ONE OF THEM killed 10’s of millions of Jews, and the other didn’t.

If Zelensky hadn’t been shelling his own people in Donbas, Putin would not have intervened. But, NATO wants WWIII so Ukrainian lives are simply forfeit in the effort.

I pray Zelensky and his neo Nazi military are swiftly and completely destroyed, and that the Ukrainian citizens he harmed can return to the Ukraine and somehow make lives for themselves, even though Zelensky and Co destroyed most of the men between the ages of 16 and 60 or so. The citizens didn’t deserve this abuse - and Zelensky has lovely mansions waiting for him when the farce collapses.


12 posted on 02/17/2023 6:22:18 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote
It’s disgusting you people try to equate Putin with Hitler because ONE OF THEM killed 10’s of millions of Jews, and the other didn’t.

Oh he’s sure trying though, isn’t he? You do know Putin sent heavy weapons to the Russian separatists in Donbas in 2014 when he also invaded Crimea, right? And he invaded Ukraine outright last year and is indiscriminately bombing innocent civilians?
21 posted on 02/17/2023 6:35:57 PM PST by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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In a bitter irony Ukrainians killed plenty Jews and poles with no help from anyone

The first SS brigades extensively catalogued it to prevent themselves from being accused early in the war

And how they treated the poles in western Ukraine is Comanche level butchery carried out by this hero Bandera

They like blood


76 posted on 02/17/2023 10:04:13 PM PST by wardaddy (Truth is treason in the Empire of lies)
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To: ransomnote
Thanks for the point. Just to pick up on something else you said...

"If Zelensky hadn’t been shelling his own people in Donbas, Putin would not have intervened."

The Kremlin, and Putin, didn't think so when they were talking to Zelenskyy in 2020.

http://www.en.kremlin.ru/catalog/persons/605/events/63755 - written by the Russians, for the Russians. Congratulates Zelenskyy, makes no mention of ongoing conflict, and points the finger at the Rada for POLITICAL shenanigans. This is a bit like congratulating a US President for doing good work while pointing the finger at shenanigans in Congress that are letting his program down.

The parties praised additional ceasefire measures that have been in effect from July 27 and that were approved at the Group’s meeting on July 22. The presidents underscored the importance of unconditional compliance by all parties of the conflict with these agreements.

Vladimir Putin pointed out that the Verkhovna Rada’s July 15 resolution on 2020 local elections contradicts the Minsk agreements and threatens settlement prospects. He also expressed grave concern in view of recent remarks by Ukraine’s top officials on the unacceptability of some of the provisions in the Package of Measures and the need to reconsider them. The President of Russia specially noted that the position Vladimir Zelensky reiterated during their telephone conversation, namely that there can be no alternatives to the Minsk agreements, must find its affirmation in practical actions taken by authorities in Kiev.

Then of course there's the fact the Donbas People's Republic, and the FSB who sat in the same building, didn't validate accusations of ongoing shelling either. They waited till 07/04/2021 before posting the annual report on the conflict in the Donbas - basically saying that the death toll in the Donbas had fallen off a cliff (even more effectively than if it had fallen out of a seventh floor window in Moscow) since that call with Zelenskyy, :

https://eng.ombudsman-dnr.ru/annual-reports/

See the 2020 report, page 21 - you can read it in the web page above or download it from their site, https://eng.ombudsman-dnr.ru/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/gd2020eng-2.pdf#page=21.

It is worth noting that the signing of peace agreements helped to reduce the intensity of hostilities. Thus, the number of deaths among the residents of the Donetsk People's Republic decreased by 9 times in 2017 compared to 2014, in 2019 – almost by 17 times, in 2020 – by 50 times. These dynamics reflect the measures within the Package of Measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements, as well as ceasefire agreements. At the same time, a decrease in casualties among the civilian population was facilitated by the unlimited truce announced in Donbass on 21 July 2019. Since 1 January 2020, as a result of the armed conflict in the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic, 44 people have been killed (Diagram 6)

So acccording to Russia, the DNR Ombudsman, and the OCSE and other casualty counts, the ABSOLUTE HIGHEST number ever calculated by any source for the entire year of 2020 was 44 people dead in the Donbas due to conflict.

What were all these rockets being fired at? Trees? Squirrels? They sure as heck weren't being fired at civilians. And that's the conclusion of the EU, CSTO, NATO, United Nations, International Red Cross, Ukraine, the two breakaway People's Republics in Ukraine, and the Kremlin. Denis Pushilin seems to be the only figurehead on the planet, even in pro-Russian circles, who talks up the conflict as if Ukraine was treating the Donbas like Russia treated Mariupol. It's at best a massive exaggeration on his part, and he has never provided an ounce of evidence to back up his lurid, hyperbolic claims.

82 posted on 02/18/2023 2:31:58 AM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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