Explosive details of Jeffrey Epstein-related lawsuit against JPMorgan unsealed, revealing ‘Snow White’ messages with former top exec

Law and Crime ^ | 02/15/23 | Law and Crime

[sit-rep]

A 14 year old with a gun is easily influenced as well... Therefore its someone else’s fault as well with your logic...

[M_Continuum]

Sounds like a section of conservative adults too.

[woodbutcher1963]

I think there are a lot of girls that try to get into modeling in NYC. They go there thinking they are going to become famous. The next Giselle.

Same in Hollywood. Some end up on the casting couch being taken advantage of by scum bags like Harvey Weinstein. Same thing.

The difference was Epstein was taking video of all the guys and girls that also liked to have sex with under age girls. Then he was probably selling that media to the CIA/MI6 or Massad.
He was also extorting the rich ones, like the guy that owned Victoria Secret and the Limited. Why else would a guy like that sell him a townhouse on the Upper East side of Manhattan worth $65M for $1 US dollar?

[ProtectOurFreedom]

Wow, hadn’t heard about that townhouse extortion. Like I said, I didn’t follow the story much at all.

[woodbutcher1963]

Epstein was his personal financial advisor after he left Bear Sterns.
He was an old billionaire guy from Ohio. I think he also introduced him around to a lot of other rich guys in the NYC area.

After the Manhattan townhouse he bought the house in Palm Beach. Then the ranch in New Mexico. A townhouse in Paris and then Little Saint James Island in the USVIs. So, what was he doing to make so much money and accumulate so much high end real estate? Most likely extortion of the rich and famous.

What was interesting about the whole story was that he hung out with so many other jet setting rich people. Like Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew and many Hollywood types.

The Manhattan townhouse recently sold at auction for about half what it would have been if it had not been Epsteins. I think a Goldman Sachs exec bought it for about $30M. A pretty good deal for a 10M sq foot, four story townhouse between Park and 5th Ave on the Upper East side.

[Do_Tar]

Technically Snow White was asleep so she couldn’t give consent.
He should have left her there I guess.

[kiryandil]

As far as I can tell, Jeff and Ghislaine are guilty of sex trafficking to no one in particular.

[GOPJ]

This particular JP Morgan Executive is named, Jes Staley, he left JP Morgan to become CEO of Barclay’s. One name is better than none, hopefully people keep digging and expose more of these perverts.

I'm surprised Biden didn't appoint him to head up some bureaucracy... Guy's with sexual kinks get more 'points' toward jobs than vets get.

Biden and Disney want to track people who aren't 'tolerant' of men who like to rape Snow White. I'm thankful Walt is dead and doesn't have to see what these people did to his dream.

Disney and Biden's goons should try something new - being tolerant of parents who love their children - parents who don't want them raped or groomed....

[bitt]

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[MNDude]

JP Morgan was a slimebag. No surprise executives at JP Morgan are slimebags also.

[Persevero]

No, but the 14 year gun shooter can not and should not be tried as an adult.

And adults coercing him should be held liable.

And a teen girl being pimped out is the one being victimized, whereas a teen shooter is victimizing others.

So you are drawing some very incomparable lines.

Adult women who whore themselves out are prosecuted for prostitution and rightly so. Teen girls are treated as victims and rightly so. There is such a thing as an age of consent.

Following your logic, is there any age at which a minor would not be held as a victim rather than a perp? 15 years old? 10? 5?

See we have decided 18 is the age of majority for a reason. It is not perfect but without an age of majority, kids get absolutely destroyed on any given level.

[Persevero]

I will continue to “stupidly” defend teens from sexual predators until the day I die. I will never shut up.

[grey_whiskers]

Why don’t we ever hear X girls 16 years old, Y girls 17 years old? We are never told that. We are never told what “underage” means. I think we have one woman who came forward and said she was 17 and that’s it. But at 17, they know perfectly well what it means to get on a private jet to go live the glamour life.

You sound like the naive one.

Hunter, is that you?

[sit-rep]

Following your logic, is there any age at which a minor would not be held as a victim rather than a perp? 15 years old? 10? 5?

this is why I called you stupid. my words became this.

[PapaBear3625]

As I recall Snow White, the character, was very much a fully adult woman

The story is gaining legs.

By the way, does Snow WHite in the pic below really look like a fully adult woman? Or more like a barely-budding adolescent?

[Persevero]

I am not stupid. I am asking where you draw the line, and on what basis.

18 doesn’t work for you. What does?

[sit-rep]

its not a fact of drawing a line... and this isnt a simple yes and no/ok or not okay under 18 years. first, lets get some facts mutually agreed upon:

-It is NOT okay for an adult to get with a minor under 18.
-It is NOT okay for an adult to solicit sex directly or indirectly from a minor under 18.
-Anyone who does so should be sent away.
-Minors(under 18) have been sexually active for centuries... eons...
-Not too long ago in the US, minors were getting married and having children at 14... 15... 16.
-Minores are getting married and having children in other countries legally.
-Currently in Japan the age of Consent is 13(PM is trying to raise it to 16)
-Sex Trafficking, whether voluntarily or forced is a crime.
-Minors are influenced with video games.
-Minors are influenced be TV.
-Minors are influenced by Peers.
-Minors are influenced by everything in this era.

Hopefully this is enough of a thumb nail sketch so we can be on common ground. Now, just because they are groomed/solicited/influenced what ever, that child should know right from wrong by the age of 10!!!!!!!!!!!!! if not, sooner!! if they dont, and this is proven daily in this country, we read about it in the rags. just because they are young, and influenced, does not exonerate them punishment. we see what this mentality is resulting in with our wonderful catch and release BS going on with adults!!

Kids are going to have sex and the only thing their parents can do is offer them safety tips the best they can. Kids who place themselves/allow themselves to be in a situation voluntarily!!!, to service adults sexually should know better. and they do know better but dont care because they dont face any repercussions for their actions. THIS is the crux of my stance. that 14 year old girl walking around with Grislle(misspelled on purpose) flitting around, batting her eyelashes. knew exactly what she was doing and no one had to coach her on how to do that!!

Now I didnt scroll back to when I first called you stupid, but quoting your last...

Following your logic, is there any age at which a minor would not be held as a victim rather than a perp? 15 years old? 10? 5?

Repeating, you took my words and extreme them to include 10 and 5 year old's. sorry but my ex-wife argued like that!! calling you stupid may have been harsh, but taking my words out of context is worse IMHO. its like if you wanna get me on something, be legit about it!!

Pedophilia is criminal. sex with minors is criminal. letting kids get away with bad behavior, for their sake is a close runner up!!

[Persevero]

What you are missing is. . .

AGENCY. POWER.

Yes as a 15 year old I could flirt and be seductive. I also took all sorts of abuses from peers, teachers, police, parents, and other authority figures because. . . I was 15 and not fully an adult. Biologically, it is objectively proveable, that at 15 our brains are not fully developed.

I did not know how to resist most abuses. Verbal, physical, or sexual. I resisted some, yes. I grew in my agency. I figured some things out. I learned about flee, hide, resist, or tell. Sure. It’s a process.

That’s why I couldn’t open a credit card account, or a checking account, or drink alcohol, or drive a truck with hazardous chemicals, or sign a contract. Because most of us aren’t there yet, at 15.

We certainly have some sense of right and wrong. But it is developing. It is not like we have no sense at 17 years 364 days and total sense at 18 years. It’s a continuum, and we are all individuals.

I was molested by several strangers in cars, movie theaters, public transport, and even by a “teacher.” Telling on them, holding them accountable, checking a driver’s license - siterep, it did not OCCUR TO ME. Was I stupid? Not particularly. I was in accelerated learning class. But child abusers KNOW that kids have a tendency to keep their mouths shut, internalize abuse, and blame ourselves. We are EASY PICKENS.

I pity the fool who tries to grope me on a bus today!! But they don’t try. You know why? I am an adult and they know I will almost certainly call them out. Rather than pretend it’s not happening, try to move away, get off the bus, as I used to do.

So our society has set 18 as the age of AGENCY/ADULTHOOD/MAJORITY. That could be, legally, changed. I am good with it because centuries of good sense has landed us there.

Without it, we are having to have juries decide the minutiae of every teen’s development to decide just what percent agency they had, how developed - I guess you’d need an MRI scan and psych evals - it’s absolutely unworkable.

18 works. I agree that some teens are old enough to marry. That is why, in our law, we can still marry in our teens with parental permission. I support that.

I think our laws are quite good. If you have gotten to the point where you think a ten year old is responsible for his or her sexual abuse you have gone way off course. That is the position of a child molester. “THEY WANTED IT”

No. They did not. They are not old enough to know what they want. They can crave adult approval and attention and they can desire to be cool and they can be intimidated and manipulated and so they can stupidly allow themselves to be abused, yes. That is not the same thing as sexual desire or consent.