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M1 Abrams Tanks in U.S. Inventory Have Armor Too Secret to Send to Ukraine
https://foreigndesknews.com ^ | JANUARY 26, 2023 | Staff

Posted on 01/26/2023 11:36:45 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Not if you plan to have children. More income for lawyers in the future.


41 posted on 01/26/2023 12:42:15 PM PST by 353FMG (Secretly practicing my Putin swagger..)
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To: 353FMG
From the article:

The U.S. government will acquire the Abrams through the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI).

Huh? What? We are buying our own tanks from the Ukrainians?

42 posted on 01/26/2023 12:42:46 PM PST by 4Runner
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To: Bayard

The US Army has 20 divisions in its regular establishment, half of which is National Guard. These days nearly all of this force is at home.

I am speaking here of combat maneuver units, not including supporting arms, which are usually assigned proportionally.

There is about one division-equivalent in Europe right now, and a brigade (1/3 of a division) in South Korea.

There are a disproportionate number of supporting arms (artillery, helicopters, etc.) and service personnel in South Korea however. There are also support and logistics units in other countries, like Japan.

So, out of the whole establishment of the combat units of the US Army, @ 92% are in the US.

As for equipment, there is a considerable amount prepositioned in various places abroad. What and where is not disclosed AFAIK. Much of it is in Europe (Germany, and Poland, probably) South Korea, and the Middle East or Diego Garcia, probably.

Whats been sent to Ukraine or is likely to be is a tiny proportion of US equipment holdings. Much more is on its way to Poland, proportionately - as a proxy for total arms transfers, 350 out of the 6000+ M1 Abrams tanks as of 2022 are in or on their way to Polish service.

Compare to the Cold War days.

Advice - do not be fooled by the buzz. Look for the details on your own.


43 posted on 01/26/2023 12:43:41 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Red Badger

That’s why Biden is sending them ...


44 posted on 01/26/2023 12:47:24 PM PST by dartuser
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To: 4Runner

The internal budget transfer to cover reduction in the inventory value of reserve equipment stocks. That is, the US Government is “buying” (actually costing out) its own inventory in a paper transaction.

One day I may try to explain cost accounting.


45 posted on 01/26/2023 12:47:34 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

IIRC the DU panels are in the “cheeks” of the turret.


46 posted on 01/26/2023 12:49:06 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Bayard

>>If we have no military and hardware in USA what do we defend US soil with?

The US military has no role in defending US soil. The US military’s role is solely to engage in foreign adventure on foreign soil.

Defending the US soil is the role of the Department of Homeland Security.


47 posted on 01/26/2023 12:50:10 PM PST by FarCenter
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To: Thunder90

AFAIK Chinese atgms have not been observed in Ukraine.
And the only Chinese drones are commercial ones, which have also been acquired by Ukraine in large numbers.

Probably all from Alibaba.


48 posted on 01/26/2023 12:50:47 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Thunder90

They would be much better protected than Russian armor, or the available Ukrainian armor in any case. Vulnerability is relative.


49 posted on 01/26/2023 12:53:19 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: 353FMG

All Biden has to do is order the Border patrol to do their jobs again (insert laugh track here). They served perfectly well in 2020. You do not need to send the Army to the border.

This is a US government policy problem, not a resource problem.


50 posted on 01/26/2023 12:55:49 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Red Badger

Secret armor you say? Just dial 1-800-HUNTERB


51 posted on 01/26/2023 1:01:58 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Red Badger

A comical post. Means one of three things. One, the person laughably must believe that the Russians do not already possess all the secrets from the highly classified process of building a tank. Face it, tank builders don’t guard the secrets of armor like the nsa is with a satellite.

Two, they must believe that the Ukrainians are so skilled that their tanks will be captured.

Three, they may have an expectation that normally Ukrainians will just sell that to the highest bidder.

At least two of these tacit admissions have to be true for this article to make any sense. Lol


52 posted on 01/26/2023 1:03:36 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: qaz123

They get a lot more than an airframe and an engine.

The Dutch and Norwegian F-16’s for instance are Block 15, with radar and AMRAAM (radar homing missiles) capability.


53 posted on 01/26/2023 1:08:43 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Bayard

Dirty Little secret about so-called Defense? Nobody is coming to America to invade us militarily. The invasion we get is across the open border, in Chinese and Saudi‘s and Europeans practicing elite capture in DC with bribery of one kind or another. No military force is on its way to invade us.


54 posted on 01/26/2023 1:09:49 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Delta 21

if you have twitter, for your viewing pleasure... hilarious

this guy will NOT like the reception he gets next time/if ever, they get together

https://twitter.com/i/status/1618609882504257537


55 posted on 01/26/2023 1:13:37 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: FarCenter

You are right, under current circumstances. There is no military threat of a land invasion. Neither Canada not Mexico are likely to invade the US anytime soon. Nobody is in a position to invade US territory by sea.

Any conventional, international threat to the US is so marginal as to be a police matter.


56 posted on 01/26/2023 1:14:01 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Bayard

You misread - there is no exportable M1A1 tanks in US inventory. To go to another country they have to either be made new or come from some other partner country using them. For instance, Poland could donate some of its M1A2Ms as the first ones are set to arrive by the end of the year.

US M1s have classified armor since the mid 80s. They cannot be exported, but they all could be used to defend the country (or take out the Mexican Cartels).


57 posted on 01/26/2023 1:19:24 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Red Badger

‘who cares if it worked or not.’ Verhoven got it right way, way back. No wonder he doesn’t work in Hellyworld anymore.


58 posted on 01/26/2023 1:19:25 PM PST by Gottfried
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To: Blood of Tyrants

If there were, they were all export models and do not have classified armor.


59 posted on 01/26/2023 1:20:08 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Gottfried

?...................


60 posted on 01/26/2023 1:20:59 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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