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To: BeauBo; blitz128; PIF
UKR air defense systems downed 47, an interception rate of better than 85%.

15% success rate is horrible. RU is doing something wrong and UKR is doing something right.

The UKR SAM coverage does not overlap. There are flight paths available that could completely avoid the SAMs.

RU must not be getting any BDA to indicate which flight paths are making it through.

UKR might be getting some highly classified intel on which targets RU plans to launch on. UKR could then locate HAWKs and NASAMs based on that intel. (PIF any insight?)

blitz128...this is why F-16s should be the first U.S. fighters sent to Ukraine. F-16s with Aim-120s would easily increase the shoot downs to 95% or higher.

One more comment - a cruise missile with a dummy warhead can still do a lot of damage, especially to a soft target like an electric substation.

86 posted on 01/26/2023 1:05:25 PM PST by FtrPilot
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To: FtrPilot

The UKR SAM coverage does not overlap. There are flight paths available that could completely avoid the SAMs.

Nothing directly, but with mobile SAM systems, how could there be a known flight path to avoid them? I think you might be looking at old maps of S-300 systems?


87 posted on 01/26/2023 1:10:16 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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I have seen where the Ukrainians have mapped out air defense and send drones on routes to avoid, also swarm an area then hit with second wave before they can reload
As to 16s and 120s A-10 can carry them to. It can carry a lot more loiter more and for fun chew up shit with the 30 as well as absorb a lot of damage

Yes dummy using kinetic energy can do great damage we started basically using concrete practice bombs to limit collateral damage Al swahra (sp?) I believe was finally killed by that method. His body was basically intact but his inards were jelly from concussion

All around the Russians seem to be inept, using cruise missiles designed for nukes with conventional warheads but with an accuracy of 600 meters. As the saying goes close only counts in horseshoes hand grenades and nukes . So 600 meters is fine with a nuclear missile going after an aircraft carrier…. But a waste if going for say a power plant

Makes me wonder what they have left


91 posted on 01/26/2023 3:34:35 PM PST by blitz128
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