Posted on 01/17/2023 4:29:57 PM PST by rxsid
I'm with you on this one.
The backup procedures can work at altitude, when time is not as critical.
If a pilot has a medical emergency on final approach with a dozen planes lined up on a nearby taxiway awaiting departure, the results could be cataclysmic; the other pilot will not have enough time to react.
Well I hope you are right, but I have been asking if all those young healthy people are dropping dead...
how many elderly died from those shots? And they keep pushing them on the elderly as safer for them...than what?
ShadowAce wrote: “...which is exactly how you started off this thread—by attacking a person, rather than the arguments.”
No, is started by pointing out that even two of his boards of directors found his comments about the vaccines were reason to disassociate from Kirsch. That should raise questions about his credibility.
Surveys done during the “pandemic” showed that many of those who were believers in the Covid vaxes such as yourself felt that people who did not want to be vaccinated were worse than cult members and criminals who were thieves, rapists, and even murderers. The same surveys found that there were for the most part no reciprocal negative feelings by those who did not want the vaccines against those who chose to be vaccinated. In reality which of these groups sounds more like a cult... the woke sheeple or those who are reacting to their own observations?
If you want to see someone who harbors ill-will towards others just look in the mirror. Despite knowing that the group you run with is responsible for the deaths of thousands and much more likely many millions... I hold no ill will toward you personally... I mostly just feel sorry for you. Read my byline... “Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.” My goal is to irritate you enough to cause you to rethink some of your positions. Do I believe that this will help in your case... most likely not! But I will not stop trying and as time brings greater clarity to this horrible situation I will be on the sidelines waiting to tell you that I told you so.
Yep, and I don’t want to be on a plane when the net goes down.
I am actually a pilot myself and live on an airpark with our airplanes and hang gliders. Many of those living on the airpark with us are either current or former airline pilots, and many are very concerned about the current situation. So many of the critical life and death decisions that a pilot makes take seconds not minutes. Although the vast majority of fatal outcomes result from a chain of events, it does not take much imagination to know that a death in the cockpit could easily lead to a catastrophic event.
My brother does not want to give up his lucrative profession right now, but it is obvious that his decision is not contributing to greater safety in the air.
Also, as a corollary, I don’t see an uptick in the local death notices or obituaries. The death notices are free to place in the newspaper and any relative or sometimes friend can place them. I am a vaccine skeptic but object to exaggerations and sometimes outright lies from the substack contingent.
I wonder how the north Idaho retirement facilities get care staff labor. They have a hard enough time here, and we have a much larger population of legal immigrants to draw from. I guess commuters from Spokane?
fireman15 wrote: “Looking through your posting history what we find is a willfully ignorant person who has no actual original thoughts or observations. What do you feel is the most appropriate way to criticize someone who never strays outside of the herd?”
You do realize that one of the characteristics of those attracted to conspiracy theories is the need to believe they have access to unique information that no one else has? Do you feel an attraction to conspiracy theories because those theories give you a sense of power that you know or recognize something that other people don’t. Does it make you feel important that you know something that other people aren’t privy to?
fireman15 wrote: “ But I will not stop trying and as time brings greater clarity to this horrible situation I will be on the sidelines waiting to tell you that I told you so.”
You do realize that it is more likely than not the you will be the one to realize just how wrong grifters like Kirsch, Malone, Mercola, Gold, etc., have been and how much they have led you astray?
This is why I think Kirsch's comments need to be considered carefully and why he's going for shock headlines.
Kirsch wrote:
"The FAA has very quietly (emphasis added) tacitly admitted that the EKGs of pilots are no longer normal.
and:
"...the FAA quietly widened (emphasis added)... "
"On October 24, 2022, the FAA quietly, without any announcement at all (emphasis added)..."
and"
"And why did they do that quietly without notifying the public (emphasis added) or the mainstream media?"
and:
"They were quiet about it (emphasis added)"
and:
"...and the FAA quietly changed (emphasis added) their EKG guidance..."
Except it was not quiet.
It was posted to a public web-site. Where people check those things. Including flight surgeons and other people involved with aircrew health.
Update Schedule for the Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners
It LISTS the date and time that the updates will be made.
and the list of changes are also posted - see AME Guide Archives Kirsch is trying to claim quietly to hawk his claims. That's acting in bad faith. Which he is apparently good at.
It was an ad hominem. There is no way to can credibly deny it.
ShadowAce wrote: “You pointing that out only had one purpose—to discredit a person by attacking him. It was an ad hominem. There is no way to can credibly deny it.”
Do you think you’re being rather selective in those who you cricitize for making ad hominem attacks?
I am the last person to be privy to anything that other people are not able to find out for themselves. These last few years have been very a rude awakening.
You calling Kirsch a grifter is more than laughable. You are tiny little worm by comparison. If you had bothered to watch even the first few minutes of the interview that I linked to multiple times you might be singing a different tune. He certainly has not been profiting from spending his own money trying to research and inform others.
In 2007 Kirsch he was diagnosed with Waldenström's macroglobulinemia, a rare blood cancer that at that time was a death sentence. He worked with top scientist from all over the world and with their help managed to save himself. As a still immunocompromised individual he gladly took the Covid vaccines when they first came out. It was only after friends and acquaintances both died, and became seriously ill that he started to question the narrative.
I have been in a similar situation having both voluntered and paid for work that I did at the Life Care Center in Kirkland Washington. You can look it up if you want to understand the significance. But I was one of the first on this forum to begin posting about the significance of the “virus”. From the beginning the truth has taken a back seat to politics in this “crisis”.
For his efforts Kirsch became a target and villain #1 in the eyes of those powerful entities that are making $Billions on the Covid vaccines. They have tried to destroy him in every way. You and the other sheeple have responded as expected to the propaganda. During the time that President Trump was in office he lost a fortune. During the time that Kirsch has been questioning the Covid vaccines he has likely lost money as well.
Your posts indicate that are a very foolish person. There is not much that I or anyone else are able to do about that.
fireman15 wrote: “Your posts indicate that are a very foolish person. There is not much that I or anyone else are able to do about that.”
I”m sure you’ll keep trying.
BTW, if you really investigated my postings, you will find numerous instances of where I’ve told people that I don’t do videos. They’re a waste of time. Now, if you have a transcript, I’ll be more than happy to read that.
I’m only pointing out your hypocrisy for calling out others over ad hominems. Not the actual ad hominem.
I'm sure you've noticed notice that DugwayDuke still hasn't even answered the question about the FAA medical guideline changes? He's always full of links and citations for the things he wants to talk about, but then claims ignorance about the things he wants avoided.
Don't let him drag you down his rabbit holes, it's all intended to deflect away from the issues he doesn't want discussed, and pollute the thread so much that it turns others away from reading them.
-PJ
ShadowAce wrote: “I’m only pointing out your hypocrisy for calling out others over ad hominems. Not the actual ad hominem.”
I’m looking forward to your pointing out others for their hypocracy.
Do you have any idea when the last time a change of this nature (loosening of standards) was made?
Don’t let him drag you down his rabbit holes,
It is true he trolls just about every thread that are discussing the proven dangers of the vaccines. And I think that you are correct that it is best to ignore him. He gets his jollies from being disruptive and has no interest in meaningful discourse.
It's okay to challenge him immediately when he pops up, but recognize what he's here to do and don't let him cause you to waste your energy chasing his taunts. That's his objective, to divert anyone who challenges him away from continuing to discuss the issue at hand and then exhaust them into dropping out of the debate.
If he's as well-versed as he claims to be, he fully knows the implications of what the FAA did with their changes to the EKG testing. He feigns ignorance in an attempt to stop people from discussing it, and thereby exposing it to others.
It's for people who are new to the threads that we expose who he is early on, but then pull back and ignore his attempts to hijack and pollute the threads, instead continuing the discussion of the evidence for future readers.
-PJ
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