[jerod]

“vaccines are safe and effective.”

Effective? Pretty much everybody who gets Covid has been vaccinated... Is that ‘effective’? Vaccines do nothing for you... If you are prone to Covid, you will get Covid. I know people who’ve had multiple shots, and who at the same time have gotten Covid multiple times... Where’s the effectiveness in that?

The best scientific evidence is empirical... Vaccinated people are getting Covid. Which indicates with certainty that the Vaccines are not effective.

[shadowlands1960]

Don’t believe your runny nose! In fact, stop thinking entirely!

[fireman15]

I know people who've had multiple shots, and who at the same time have gotten Covid multiple times...

The people we know who have come down with Covid multiple times have all been vaccinated and boosted multiple times. Those we know who have not been vaccinated either never realized they had it all or have had symptoms once or twice.

This not only seems to be common but among our acquaintances is the rule. The vaxxes may or may not give some protection from symptoms depending on the individual, but they certainly do not prevent people from getting the virus and this has been officially recognized and acknowledged for many months.

The thing that has not been officially recognized and acknowledged but has been seen in studies from abroad is that the vaccinated often tend to shed a larger amount of both viral particulate and the even more dangerous spike proteins, even when they were not symptomatic. But don't point this out in mixed company because those who have an unshakable faith in the experimental “vaccines” will go “Pompeii” on you and try to bury you with BS. This is probably the most furiously denied aspect of the "vaccines". The thing that you might notice when reading the denials are the hedge words and cherry picking of the data.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/why-those-under-60-are-more-likely-to-die-if-jabbed_4492774.html?utm_source=ai&utm_medium=search

[ChessExpert]

“Safe and effective.”

We’ve heard those words so many times that everyone knows we are talking about the “Covid-19 vaccine.” Repetition is a necessary tool in propaganda and indoctrination.

Let’s back up a little. We are talking about the experimental mRNA vaccine given for the Wuhan virus. As an experimental vaccine, it’s safety and efficacy profile were initially unknown. No one should ever have claimed it as being safe and effective.

Now we know that it is about the least effective vaccine in the history of vaccines. Safe? A simple declaration of “safe” is false.

In my opinion, proper science indicates both health benefits and health risks. They depend on age and the presence of pre-existing conditions. Healthy young people should have never been given the shot as the risks from the shot were much greater than the benefits.

Mandates are the socialist/Democrat way. A short list: slavery, Indian Removal (Trail of tears), racial segregation, experimental vaccines. These mandates are so wrong that the term “evil” seems to apply.