Posted on 12/13/2022 5:48:40 PM PST by grumpa
Grumpy one note Placemarker!
CHURCH AGE. So are the chapters two and three in Revelation wrong?
2.DUAL COVENANT THEOLOGY.Israel became a nation again in 1948 after a couple thousand years. Say what you will but this is pretty amazing
3.MISUNDERSTANDING THE LAST DAY/END TIMES.What is the correct interpretation? Pretty audacious
4.INSISTENCE Literal? There’s 150 Psalms and a whole lot of metaphors and analogies. There are parables and such. Take it up with the author.
5.FUTURIZING Daniel’s 70 weeks: Hmm, most pastors I know who are wise and honest have the wisdom to make suggestions and speculate but no one knows the times. Jesus said it.
BTW why attack? The GOOD NEWS is who Jesus is. The rest is going to come to pass in His time and as He has laid it all out.
I guess there is no hope for the future? Jesus isn’t returning? How very depressing
I don’t beleive any of your strawman crap.
Quit bearing false witness.
Tare.
There’s desperation to try to prove a point.
The argument that someone insists on always reading the Bible literally is always dragged out to try to discredit someone when there is nothing more substantial they have to offer.
I have yet to encounter ONE individual or organization which demands that the Bible always be read literally.
It’s a weak argument that addresses a non-existent position.
Amen.
I would also add that, when they pull that argument, they never specify which TRANSLATION or Version is supposedly to be taken literally. They never even consider what the relevant original language says, let alone the differences between the modern Webster vs 15th Century English meanings of words.
And we’re expected to take psalms, poetry, parables, etc literally?
As if we cannot tell they are not meant to be literal?
Truth is still Truth, even when not taken “literally”.
Dispensationalism is a false 19th century philosophy.
Just like the Mormon, jehovah’s witnesses, Adventist and Christian scientists, those is a false 19th century philosophy that arose in a vibrant 19th century America
Tare isn’t strong enough. After a bit of dicussion and a show of hands we called them Philistines.
But many people don’t realize that the parable of the tares and the wheat is the description Jesus gave to the apostles for the end time tribulation.
That the tares would be gathered up and burned rather than some special group of people being taken up in the air to miss the tribulation altogether, is “written in Red” and seemingly escapes the casual observer.
Chapters 2 and 3 in the book of Revelation is about the 7 churches in Asia minor during the great tribulation of 64 AD to 67 AD.
Israel was never not a nation.
Israel became a political independent state in 1948. However that wasn’t the first time it became a state after the destruction of Jerusalem. It was a political entity in 132 AD under Simjn Bar Kochkba “son if the star” who was considered a Messiah for the Rabbinical Jews.
Daniel’s 70 weeks ended with the first advent of Jesus.
That is what the 2nd temple Jews believed which us why there were a slew if false Messiahs from Judas of Galilee in 10 BC right up to Simon bar kochkba in 132 AD. Jesus Barabbas was another false Messiah (bar Abbas ie “son of the father”).
Not only did the Jews see the 70 weeks as ending in the 1st century, the early Christiansand in fact all Christians right until the 1800s saw the 70s weeks as having ended
Rpturists make a preposterously large time miscalculation. Right in the middle of Daniel’s time line, they insert a two-thousand-year interruption. They call it a “parenthesis”: the parenthetical “Church age.”
That is not in Daniel at all.
Based on a misreading of the Olivet Discourse, rapture guys claim that we are in “the generation of the fig tree,” meaning that there remains only forty to seventy years before the rapture occurs.
Originally the pivotal event that marked the beginning of the generation was identified as the 1948 founding of the modern state of Israel.
Now some rapturists propose that maybe 1967 (the year Jerusalem was reunified) or even 1993 (the year of the Peace Accords) is the real starting point for the final generation.
When we pass any critical milestones (just as we did in 1988, which is 1948 plus forty years), we will see rapturists use the rolling end of the world to choose a new date even further in the future. But that new date will still require that the present generation is the final one.
I have no doubt that, in 2200 A.D., they will be inserting a 2,200-year gap into Daniel’s visions so that Daniel’s last week will still be imminent.
Jesus clearly told the Sanhedrin that they would see evidence of the coming of the Son of man as predicted in Daniel 7:13. Yet rapturists place these events in the future even for our time.
But you forget that on the eve of His Crucifixion, Jesus made a promise to the Sanhedrin as seen above.
The Epistle of Barnabas “When the week is completed, the Temple of God shall be built in glory in the name of the Lord.… This is the spiritual Temple built for the Lord” (EOB, 16:6). This passage refers to the building of the Church. “The week” is Daniel’s final week, which contained the time of covenantal transition between the Old and New Covenants. The Incarnation, the Passion, the Resurrection, the Ascension, Pentecost, and even the judgment of 70 A.D. were all essential to building the Church. These events took seven decades, not seven years to unfold.
Around 168 B.C., the priestly dominance was challenged by the Syrian king, Antiochus Epiphanes. In his effort to minimize Roman influence, he profaned the Temple with the sacrifice of swine to the Greek god Zeus Olympios (1 Macc. 1:44–59). The Jews rose in rebellion. By 165 B.C., the priestly family of the Hasmonians had prevailed in the war, and the Temple was reconsecrated by Judas Maccabee. The Jewish nation won complete independence by 142 B.C.
The two competing Jewish groups we read about in the Gospels, the Pharisees and Sadducees, fought over religion and power. Their infighting enabled Pompey to conquer Jerusalem with a Roman army in 63 B.C. In 54 B.C, he sacked the Temple. At this point, the Temple had not been destroyed, but it was certainly not in functional shape. In fact, there was hardly a moment in these four centuries when Daniel’s description “troubled times” did not fit Jerusalem’s situation. But this ruin of a Temple that Zerubbabel had built was not the one Jesus entered during His first advent. In 37 B.C., the Romans installed Herod the Great as king of the Jews. He initiated a massive reconstruction project on the Temple in 20 B.C. Everyone agreed this was still the second Temple, the Temple of Zerubbabel, being finally completed for glory
Herod’s Temple, the culmination of Zerubbabel’s efforts, the Temple of Jesus’ day, was in fact finally completed in a peaceful, protected, and rebuilt Jerusalem by about 10 B.C.
You couldn’t ask for a more accurate, historical fulfillment of Daniel’s middle sixty-two weeks of seasons. They began in 444 B.C. and ended in 10 B.C., 434 years (sixty-two weeks) later. Now it becomes clear why the Jews of Jesus day were so overwrought with Messianic anticipation. They knew that Daniel’s time line pointed to their generation. The Temple had been completed in 10 B.C. The forty-nine decades of the first set of weeks ended around 32 A.D.
If you can’t tell from the text, which is literal and which is not, there is no hope for you, lol!
I wonder if you have a problem with satire too!
Be sure to tell enoch, elijah and moses’ family they have been
voted “ tares”.
( they escaped this sinful world and were caught up too. Moses was too much a coward to face the flood ? Wonder if he lost his faith too ?)
Are you a Democrat ?
Mat 13:30 - Let both grow together
until
the harvest
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As usual , your ilk just ignores stuff you don’t like or interferes with your heresy.
The tares grow ALL through the ages
not just in the end days / trib.
Judge not.
Jesus said that too.
When considering dogma go to the source not a theological rendering away from what Jesus said.
So there’s no home of Jesus return? Thank you Cronos the high priest of biblical claptrap.
1Co 5:12 - What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?
Are you not to judge those inside?
1Co 5:13 - God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
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Well that is akward for you.
Or do you reject the
” Pauline epistles “ ?
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theological rendering away from
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Then why do you do that ?
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Jesus was talking to the unsaved about other unsaved, He wasn’t talking directly to the Church about those claiming to be in the Church.
Im done throwing pearls.
Have a nice day.
Preterists also believe the Millennium and Judgement Day has “been fulfilled in Christ”. To make matters worse, preterists believe Satan has been cast into the Lake of Fire, God’s Kingdom has arrived, and the new Heavens and earth happened long ago. Their belief system means, we just keep on keeping on.
Cast some more stones, its quite revealing.
Right back at ya.
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